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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes, that is part of the conversation. I have met the bus companies collectively and a number of them individually. I want to ensure that that dialogue continues. If we have dialogue, we can make progress.

I am trying to make the point that we must have that dialogue through those conversations but that the measure must be mutually beneficial. We accept that, as private companies, the bus companies have a requirement to make profit and to be successful. I will continue to have those conversations with them to ensure that we are getting the best value for public money.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We clearly want to encourage younger people to use the bus. That is a commitment that we have talked about and it is on-going. There are also the demographics. There are more cardholders in the older and disabled persons scheme than there are in the younger persons scheme, so we are looking to get more and more young people coming into the scheme so that they do not start jumping into cars when they turn 22 or 23. We want it to be habit forming. In essence, I suppose that there is an element of reality in what you are putting to me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

When you mention a price cap, what are you talking about? We have the caps on the older and disabled persons scheme and on the quantum.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

There has been a long-term decline in the use of buses. Whether that is—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I would counter that by saying that more and more trips are being made, particularly by those who are using the young persons bus travel scheme. There are more and more cardholders and they are making more and more journeys. That is creating habitual behaviour. I hope that young people will carry that on into their young adult life and that they will continue to use public transport. I would dispute what you say on that, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I cannot tell you, and I am not going to tell you. As I said when I answered previously, there are a number of considerations, but your latter point is very important. How do we structure our thinking into asking, “What is the best use of this fund? What are we trying to achieve? Who are we trying to attract on to the bus? Who will be affected? How will the operators react?â€

An awful lot of thinking is going into what the pilot will do. I am not trying to be evasive; I am genuinely putting an awful lot of thinking into how we make the pilot work and how to get the best possible answers so that we can decide whether we want to continue it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

If the budget passes, yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am not clairvoyant, so I cannot predetermine what private bus companies are going to decide and which services they will or will not want to keep. I will be back at the committee next year, because there will be an annual requirement to talk about the reimbursement rate. At that point, I will—I hope—be able to tell you that we are increasing the patronage even more because of the actions that we are taking.

I am not disputing the fact that there is a disparity in rural areas with regard to people’s ability to get a bus, and I am actively engaged in that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not know what rates it asked for those to be set at. Carole Stewart was part of the negotiations, so perhaps she can answer that question.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We have a joined-up approach, but at the moment we are not filling in all the gaps. I assure you that I am actively looking at that.