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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I apologise.

Jonnie, you said that farmers in England are taking a step back. Given the amount of support that is required to keep farming in Scotland viable, how do farmers take a step back if they do not like the policy?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In effect, then, what you are saying is that, for the whole supply chain to work, you cannot try to find a solution for each individual bit—you have to look at the whole system that is in place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

We have roamed about on this issue, but I want to go back to the opportunities for the food and drink sector that you touched on in response to Ariane Burgess.

With regard to farmers’ ability to diversify, the CCC said last week that we needed to reduce numbers and all the rest of it, and, in that respect, I am very glad that you have mentioned critical mass, because that is the bit that I want to talk about. What if, for instance, we decided to say, “Right, we’re going to pay £1,000 for every calf that’s born on a hill, but you need to reduce the numbers of suckler cows that you produce by 20 or 30 per cent”? What would be the net effect of targeting just one specific problem in that way?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In what sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

That is the question that I am asking you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a brief question for Ross Lilley. You said that the Government does not have the level of data that it needs. As a farmer, I used to have a crop plan every year and I knew what was going into every single field and what I was going to do in that field, based on the soil analysis that I had done and what I was looking to achieve. Is there not a way that you or the data gatherers could speak to the farming community? A vast amount of that field-level detail is already available—we just have to tap into it and speak to the farmers to get it.

10:45  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

However, that leads to Scotland being in danger of losing the value of its natural capital to big organisations that do not live here. That might be a bigger question than the ones that you are here to talk about today, but the process is going through my mind as we speak.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to go back to the point that Ross Lilley has just made about intensification, if that is okay. We are talking about a whole-farming approach—that is, one that goes across the industry—but it is a fact that, if you take just two farms, the climate and biodiversity challenges that each faces will be different. Indeed, there will be different climate and biodiversity challenges on just one farm alone, never mind the challenges facing a full-scale system.

I am going to talk predominantly about semi-upland, upland and hill farming. If we are saying that intensification is part of the issue with regard to biodiversity loss, I would just point out that you cannot get farming that is more about landscape than those kinds of farming. Why, therefore, are we seeing the same drop in numbers in upland farms as we are in the big, intensive arable farms?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I am glad to hear you say that you do not want there to be no livestock in those areas—I should declare an interest as a hill sheep and cattle farmer and a shepherd for 30 years.

Has any consideration been given to predation of wading and ground-nesting birds? I have experience of what happens to lapwings, curlews, redshanks, golden plovers and so on when there is an influx of ravens. I used to have to mark where the nests were as I drove round my lambing fields but, by the time I had come out of all that, raven numbers had exploded and there was literally no point in doing that work, because there were no full nests. Have you considered what predation has done? I know that RSPB Scotland will deny that it happens but, anecdotally, I have witnessed the huge effect that it has had.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

The farming community absolutely accepts that it has a massive role to play in this—nobody denies that. However, it seems to me that, given the scale of the challenges that we face, the things that the farming community will do within the confines of the funding that will be available to them will not be nearly enough. You talked about private equity coming into the landscape-style approach and the gains that we have to make. Is there a need to shift some of the focus away from the funding for agriculture and look at how we will do it on a much bigger scale?