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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

One of the things that I am interested in—I sound like a broken record—is what it is that brings officers and staff into the complaints and conduct space in the first place. I am interested in what it is about their role, their environment or their circumstances that brings them into the process.

We took interesting evidence from Police Scotland yesterday, when its representatives spoke about their awareness that the circumstances and factors could potentially be shifting. Assault allegations are always going to be made against officers and potentially staff, but yesterday’s witnesses spoke in an interesting way about some other issues, such as domestic abuse and the emergence of more sexualised behaviour by officers—a couple of examples spring to mind.

I am interested in what sits behind officers coming to the attention of complaints and conduct, and I am interested in whether you have come across the reasons for that. You have done so many inspections, including on mental health. Have you looked at that as part of your work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is interesting, and it is good to hear that you have some work planned around domestic abuse later in the year.

Rona Mackay wants to ask a follow-up on that point.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am not sure that that necessarily relates to the bill. Mr Findlay might want to rephrase the question, and it is up to you, Ms McQueen, if you want to answer it.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. My final question on that is about the bill. From the perspective of the conduct and complaints committee, which provisions in the bill will help to strengthen the work that you have outlined?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will now open the session up to members and bring in Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Just for clarification, are you referring to the CAAPD in last week’s evidence session?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I was just about to do that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I have a final question before I bring in other members. The bill is being scrutinised against the backdrop of the previous chief constable’s statement that Police Scotland is “institutionally racist”. Does the bill go far enough in addressing that allegation? Obviously, the bill will not resolve that situation by itself—a lot of other actions will be required—but will the bill make a positive contribution, in light of the previous chief constable’s comments?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is very helpful. I have another question, which stays on the subject of recruiting the best candidates possible for what we all know is an extremely difficult job that places huge demands on police officers and staff. It is on vetting, which we have not covered yet.

We are aware that the HMICS assurance review of vetting policy and procedures included a recommendation that the Scottish Government should place legislative requirements on Police Scotland with regard to vetting. The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs has advised that she is committed to exploring the legislative basis for vetting, particularly in the context of the bill. Is any work already under way in that space? Do you have any additional comments, particularly on the back of the HMICS review?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will finish with a couple of quick-fire questions. The first is on the proposals for a barred list. In evidence, we have heard some concerns about the proposals for that list to be public. I am interested in your views on that.