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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is a comprehensive and helpful opening statement. I will start with a question. You spoke about Lady Elish’s significant work, which underpins where we are today. We know that many of the recommendations in her report have already been put in place, are under way or are being implemented. My question is about measuring progress. As you said in your opening comments, we have taken evidence from individuals in previous evidence sessions and we have heard from members of the public who described what seemed to be inconsistent and, in some cases, unacceptable standards of response when they made a complaint to Police Scotland about the conduct of officers. In addition, as you reference, we heard evidence that, when police officers are the subject of a complaint, the way that they are treated seems to fall short. We heard from one officer who shared his distressing story with us.

I am interested in exploring a bit more about what work the Scottish Police Authority undertakes to look at the views of those who have made complaints, whether they be police officers and staff or members of the public, to measure their experience in the context of the improvements that we are all trying to make and, in particular, the Scottish Police Authority is trying to make in and around the way that complaints are dealt with.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am not sure that that necessarily relates to the bill. Mr Findlay might want to rephrase the question, and it is up to you, Ms McQueen, if you want to answer it.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. My final question on that is about the bill. From the perspective of the conduct and complaints committee, which provisions in the bill will help to strengthen the work that you have outlined?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will now open the session up to members and bring in Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Just for clarification, are you referring to the CAAPD in last week’s evidence session?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I was just about to do that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I have a final question before I bring in other members. The bill is being scrutinised against the backdrop of the previous chief constable’s statement that Police Scotland is “institutionally racist”. Does the bill go far enough in addressing that allegation? Obviously, the bill will not resolve that situation by itself—a lot of other actions will be required—but will the bill make a positive contribution, in light of the previous chief constable’s comments?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is very helpful. I have another question, which stays on the subject of recruiting the best candidates possible for what we all know is an extremely difficult job that places huge demands on police officers and staff. It is on vetting, which we have not covered yet.

We are aware that the HMICS assurance review of vetting policy and procedures included a recommendation that the Scottish Government should place legislative requirements on Police Scotland with regard to vetting. The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs has advised that she is committed to exploring the legislative basis for vetting, particularly in the context of the bill. Is any work already under way in that space? Do you have any additional comments, particularly on the back of the HMICS review?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will finish with a couple of quick-fire questions. The first is on the proposals for a barred list. In evidence, we have heard some concerns about the proposals for that list to be public. I am interested in your views on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I know that you have more questions, Mr Findlay, but I will bring in other members at this point and we can perhaps come back to you later.