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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our first main item of business is an oral evidence session on an affirmative instrument and a negative instrument. We are joined by the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs; I also welcome Patrick Down and Vallath Kavitha Krishnan, from the criminal justice division, and Nicola Guild, from the legal directorate, in the Scottish Government.

I refer members to papers 1 to 3, and I intend to allow up to 30 minutes for the evidence session. I invite the cabinet secretary to make some opening remarks on the Scottish statutory instruments.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Karyn McCluskey, in your opening remarks, you spoke about targets. We all know the value of targets and why we need them. I am interested in a wee bit more detail on whether we should be looking at different targets and why we should be doing that. How do we make those targets meaningful? Again, I am thinking about the budgetary context.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in members now. Sharon Dowey will be followed by Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We got there in the end.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. There are no apologies. Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take item 6 in private. Do members agree to take the item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Would members like to come in with any final points?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The question is, that motion S6M-14590 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. That will be published shortly.

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending the meeting. I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:39 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is to take evidence from two organisations as part of our on-going pre-budget scrutiny. From Community Justice Scotland, we are joined by Karen McCluskey, chief executive, and Keith Gardner, specialist adviser; and, from Social Work Scotland we have Lynsey Smith, chair of the organisation’s justice standing committee. Welcome to you all.

I refer members to papers 4 and 5. I intend to allow around 75 minutes for this evidence session.

I will start with a fairly broad opening question to get started. I will work from my left, so I will bring in Lynsey Smith then Karen McCluskey and Keith Gardner. What are the main financial challenges that your organisations face, and what are the main things that need to be done in the budget context to address them?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will come back with some supplementary questions, but I will move on to Karen now.