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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Agenda item 2 is pre-budget scrutiny. Our focus today is on the courts, the prosecution service and prisons. We have two panels of witnesses this morning. Our first panel consists of representatives of the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. I am pleased that we are joined by Malcolm Graham, the chief executive of the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service—welcome to your new role—and John Logue, the Crown Agent at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. I offer you both a very warm welcome.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I also refer members to the FDA union’s written submission, which was circulated separately and is relevant to our questioning of Mr Logue. We thank the FDA union for its submission.

I intend to allow about 75 minutes for this session. I will begin by asking the witnesses an opening general question to set the scene, after which we will move on to other members’ questions.

What do you see as being the main financial challenges that your organisation faces, and what is the latest position on any discussions that you have had with the Scottish Government on your budget for 2025-26?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I should say that we still have three members seeking to come in, and there will probably be a couple of supplementary questions, so I will just stop you there, Mr Graham.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Liam Kerr has a supplementary question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Congratulations on your appointment, Liam. We look forward to working with you. Would you like to say anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

There is quite a lot to cover, so fairly succinct responses would be helpful, as I know that members are wanting to come in with a range of questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Ben Macpherson is next, then other members want to come back in with follow-up questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I want to ask the very last question, which is on an issue that has received a wee bit of media coverage recently: live facial recognition technology. Has there been any proposal that work on that be taken forward? Would that require a budget allocation? Has that already been factored into your innovation and technology budgeting? Can you give us an update on that? It would be interesting if you could share that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that.

In my opening question to the chief constable, we looked at the benefit of multiyear funding and the three-year plan in the context of spend to save, if you like, and the long-term efficiencies that an investment in capital allocation can bring across a range of different aspects of Police Scotland. I take it that you would be supportive of that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That was very helpful—thank you for that. Ben Macpherson, do you have a supplementary question?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring the session to a close with a final area of questioning, which again comes back to the capital budget. During an evidence session with you all last year, reference was made to planned slippage in managing the capital programme. In essence, that involved allocating more money than was available but assuming that there would be slippage at some point. Is that practice still relied on, what are your views on it and is it a sustainable approach?