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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is very helpful. I will bring in Annie Wells and then Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the second joint meeting in 2024 of members of the Criminal Justice Committee, the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee and the Social Justice and Social Security Committee to consider the progress being made in implementing the recommendations of the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce.

Our first item of business is to decide whether to take in private items 3 and 4, which are to review today鈥檚 evidence and to receive an update on the work of the people鈥檚 panel. Are we agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I put on record the committee鈥檚 warm wishes to Christina McKelvie.

Cabinet secretary, I want to open the questioning by asking for an update on the drug checking pilot project, which we have looked at in the past during the joint committee鈥檚 evidence sessions. We are aware of a number of projects that are under way across Scotland, and I would be interested in receiving an update on the expected timescales for decisions on the Home Office licence application process and the subsequent establishment of drug checking facilities in each of the pilot areas. In that respect, I draw the cabinet secretary鈥檚 attention to comments from Kirsten Horsburgh of the Scottish Drugs Forum, who, at our last meeting, welcomed the pilot, but was keen for progress to be made, particularly on the timescales for its establishment.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Clare Haughey and then Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

On that point, I will bring the session to a close. I thank the cabinet secretary and his officials for a very interesting session.

I am aware that some of the issues that were covered this morning are of interest to the people鈥檚 panel, which has been mentioned throughout the session. I hope that this evidence session will inform some of the panel鈥檚 further deliberations during its final meeting, which will take place this weekend.

That completes the public part of our meeting.

10:45 Meeting continued in private until 11:23.  

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our main item of business is an evidence-taking session on tackling drug deaths and drug harm. I am very pleased to welcome Neil Gray, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, and from the Scottish Government, Mr Richard Foggo, director of population health, and Ms Maggie Page, unit head, drug strategy unit. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for providing some written evidence in advance and invite him to make some brief opening remarks.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We turn to questions from Pauline McNeill and then Paul O鈥橩ane.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Before I bring in Jeremy Balfour, I will pick up on Mr Foggo鈥檚 point about the helpful update on the challenges relating to the prison population. The Criminal Justice Committee and the wider Parliament are obviously interested in that. I am aware that naloxone is now available for use in the prison estate. Cabinet secretary, you gave a helpful update in September in response to a question that was asked in the chamber about the work that is being done by the UK Government to make naloxone more available. Could you provide an update on that?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We have a few minutes left, so I will bring in Sharon Dowey for a final question.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Tackling Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 14 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

There is a lot of interest in this issue, and there are many areas to cover. I now open it up to questions from members.