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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That brings this session to an end. Thank you very much, Marsha, as ever; and thank you, Fiona鈥攜our evidence has been invaluable to us.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I do not think that any other members want to come back in. I have a couple of questions as we come to the end of the meeting.

My first question relates to a point that was made in the previous evidence session about the publication of reports following a review process. Fiona Drouet offered some words of caution about the publication of reports, specifically with regard to the potential impact on families, and Katy Clark brought up the suggestion of redacting reports. There is almost a duty of care in that regard. I am interested in hearing your views on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

In reference to the case review panel provisions, you point out in your submission that the explanatory notes state:

鈥淭he intention is that this鈥

鈥攖he panel function鈥

鈥渨ill be a role performed by people who have valuable insights to offer but who will be able to do this alongside their everyday lives and work.鈥

Given what we are looking at and the nature of a review, do you think that that is appropriate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies for the meeting. Pauline McNeill is joining us online.

Our first item of business is to continue our stage 1 scrutiny of the Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill. I am very pleased that we are joined this morning by Fiona Drouet, the founder and chief executive officer of EmilyTest, and by Marsha Scott, the chief executive of Scottish Women鈥檚 Aid, who is online.

Welcome to both of you, and thank you for taking the time to attend today鈥檚 meeting and for both of your submissions, which are much appreciated. I also extend our thanks to you, Fiona, for your very personal and powerful submission, which reflected your commitment to improving the system around domestic homicide reviews.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for this evidence session.

I will start by asking a general opening question, and I will come to Fiona first and then bring in Marsha. As you know, the second part of the bill sets up a system of abusive domestic behaviour reviews, and I understand that both of you are supportive of that. Could you elaborate on why that is? Could you also set out whether you have any particular changes that you want to propose to improve the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I never like interjecting, but you have covered very well a lot of the points that are set out in your written submission, and I know that members will probe a wee bit more on those鈥攁nd on others, I am sure.

I open the discussion to members.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is a tricky balance to achieve, I guess.

We will move on to part 1 of the bill in a moment. First, does anyone want to come back in?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I call Rona Mackay, to be followed by Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Perhaps if there is anything further on equally safe funding, which is an interesting point to pull into the discussion, it might be easier to bring that in by following up in correspondence to the committee. It would be helpful for us to have sight of that.

Pauline, do you want to come back in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is a helpful reminder and a valuable point.

Thank you all very much. As members and witnesses have no further questions or comments, I will bring the public part of the meeting to a close.

12:01 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I still have a couple of members who are keen to come in on part 1 of the bill, and then we will move on to part 2. I call Katy Clark, to be followed by Fulton MacGregor.