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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. That is helpful, and it is certainly food for thought for members.

I will ask Kate Wallace and Marsha Scott a quick follow-up question before I bring in Katy Clark to ask questions about time limits in criminal cases. On going forward from the perspective of victims, Marsha Scott touched on how well virtual arrangements are working already. It is clear that they have some challenges. What needs to change in early course?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Welcome back, everybody. I welcome to the meeting Ms Emma Jardine, policy and public affairs adviser at the Howard League Scotland; and Teresa Medhurst, interim chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service, and Allister Purdie, interim director of operations.

I intend to allow around an hour and 20 minutes for questions and answers. We will move directly to questions, and I will ask the opening question, which is for Teresa and Emma. It relates to developments around court business being undertaken by electronic means. I am interested to know your views on the specific provisions in the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill to allow flexibility for people to attend court proceedings remotely.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Jamie Greene, after which we will move on to questions about early release of prisoners.

Criminal Justice Committee

Photocopying of Prisoners’ Mail

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

We agree that the direction of travel looks broadly positive, but that it is too early to evaluate the success or otherwise of the change to the rules. We can follow up with Police Scotland, in writing, the issue about the MOU. Fulton MacGregor mentioned bringing the cabinet secretary back, which we will do in three months, as he offered and we agreed. Continued monitoring is needed, as is evaluation of how the process is working. Colette Stevenson raised an interesting point about personal items.

It seems that we agree that the change has been a positive development and a positive piece of work. If members are happy with that, our clerks can pick up the actions.

That concludes the public part of the meeting.

12:34 Meeting continued in private until 13:08.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Marsha Scott wants to come back in, before I hand over to Jamie Greene.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

A couple of members want to come in on this subject. I will bring in Fulton MacGregor, followed by Pauline McNeill, and then we will—I hope, if we have time—move on to our next and final area of questioning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

It was about what more needs to be done, if anything. You spoke about things being at an early point and about there being bumps along the road, which is understandable. What, in your view, are the priorities for developing the opportunity that exists on a more permanent basis?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Do you wish to come in on that, Mr Purdie?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is helpful.

I hand over to Katy Clark, after which I will bring in Jamie Greene to ask about statutory time limits.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I refer members to papers 1 to 3. Today, the committee begins its scrutiny of the justice provisions in the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1 of the Parliament’s legislative process.

We will hear from two panels of witnesses. In the later part of the meeting, we will be joined by representatives of the Howard League and the Scottish Prison Service.

However, first, I am pleased to welcome Dr Marsha Scott, chief executive officer of Scottish Women’s Aid, and Kate Wallace, chief executive officer of Victim Support Scotland. We very much appreciate the time that you have taken to join us.

I intend to allow an hour for questions and answers. As usual, I ask members and witnesses to keep questions and answers as succinct as possible. I also ask that, when members ask questions, they indicate which witness they are directing their remarks to. Both witnesses are familiar with how our online meetings work. If they would like to speak, they can let us know by typing R in the chat function.

We now move directly to questions. I will open with a general question for both witnesses.

I note that both Victim Support Scotland and Scottish Women’s Aid support a permanent change that will expand the use of virtual court proceedings. Do you have any concerns about the use of virtual attendance? For example, issues have been raised in relation to digital access for vulnerable groups and for people who are living with disability. I ask you first, Kate, for your comments and thoughts on that general provision.