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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Amendment 85, in the name of Pam Gosal, is grouped with amendments 241 and 242.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am pleased to join colleagues to speak on the issue of access to court transcripts for survivors of rape and serious sexual offences. I thank the cabinet secretary for the positive way in which she has engaged with me and other committee members on the issue.

The difficulties that survivors have historically had in accessing the record of a trial were first brought to the committee’s attention in 2021. I pay tribute to the women who described the challenges that they faced, with one having to pay more than £3,000 for a transcript.

For some survivors, access to transcripts has a practical function when they might be involved in another process, such as a complaint about their treatment. For many, access to a record of what was said is an important part of the healing process and, importantly, it reflects a justice system that is trauma-informed. As one survivor told us:

“If people are unable to afford transcripts to corroborate complaints against those in the legal profession, it essentially means that lawyers are unaccountable. That should be of grave concern to a democratic society.â€

My amendment 179 is also a probing one and is relatively narrow in its scope, relating only to sexual offences that are set out in section 288C of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995, which are currently included in the on-going pilot. My amendment relates to cases heard in both the High Court and the proposed new sexual offences court.

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for her on-going support and her willingness to extend the pilot and for indicating to me her position on seeking to take time to consider issues such as a potential legislative change and the costs involved. I am also grateful for her invitation to work with her to discuss what may be developed ahead of stage 3. I therefore will not move amendment 179. I thank the cabinet secretary for her engagement on the matter and look forward to further work with her on the issue.

I call Jamie Greene to speak to amendment 263 and the other amendments in the group.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

The question is, that amendment 239 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Does any other member want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is just coming up to 11 o’clock. I suggest to members that we have a 10-minute break.

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I call Jamie Greene to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 246.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. Do other members wish to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

As no other members would like to come in, I invite the cabinet secretary to wind up.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

As no other member wishes to come in, I invite the cabinet secretary to respond.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting of the Criminal Justice Committee in 2025. We have no apologies.

Item 1 is continued consideration of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. I ask members to refer to their copy of the bill and to the marshalled list of amendments and groupings.

I welcome Angela Constance, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, and her officials to the meeting. I remind the officials that they are here to assist the cabinet secretary during the stage 2 debate and are not permitted to participate in it. For that reason, members should not direct questions to them.

I also welcome to the meeting Jamie Greene MSP, Pam Gosal MSP and Maggie Chapman MSP, who are here to speak to their amendments.

Members will be glad to hear that I will stop at various points to allow short breaks in the proceedings.

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