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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of an affirmative Scottish statutory instrument. I refer members to paper 3.

I welcome back Keith Brown, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans. I also welcome his officials: Walter Drummond-Murray, head of civil courts, inquiries, private and international law and central authority at the Scottish Government; and Emma Thomson from the Scottish Government legal directorate.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short statement on the SSI.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I thank the cabinet secretary and his officials for attending. That concludes our consideration of the SSI. We will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses.

11:15 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. I open the questioning to members, starting with Fulton MacGregor.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I gently ask witnesses to keep their answers as succinct as possible. That will allow us to ask as many questions as we can.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I call Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

We have run slightly over time. However, Fulton MacGregor wants to come in very briefly, and I must ask for succinct responses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I notice that you mentioned body-worn cameras in your reply. I will open questions up to members now and, if we have time, we can come back to that topic later.

Sticking with the theme of budgets, Katy Clark has a question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Is there any indication around timescales? I do not want to stray off budget, but that obviously correlates with budget, as you have just said.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

As there are no other questions from members, we move straight to consideration of the motion. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-06291.

Motion moved,

That the Criminal Justice Committee recommends that the International Organisations (Immunities and Privileges) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2022 [draft] be approved.—[Keith Brown.]

Motion agreed to.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is to take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, specifically on the provisions that relate to criminal justice social work and community justice. I refer members to papers 4 and 5.

We have apologies from Claire Wilson, who is, unfortunately, unable to join us. I welcome Lynsey Smith, chair of the justice standing committee, Social Work Scotland, and joining us online we have Anil Gupta, chief officer, communities, Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; and Kate Ramsden, national executive member, Unison Scotland.

We would like to ask the witnesses a number of questions. Given that two members are joining online, I ask members to indicate who they would like to direct their questions to, and I ask the witnesses who are joining us online to indicate accordingly in the chat function if they would like to come in.

We move straight to questions, and I will start with a general opening question. I will come to Lynsey Smith first and then bring in Kate Ramsden and Anil Gupta. What are your general views on the possibility of criminal justice social work being included in the planned national care service? How might that affect criminal justice social work and the services that are currently provided, and how do you see those changing?