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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Item 3 is consideration of a number of items of correspondence that the committee received during the summer recess. I refer members to paper 2. As you will see, the clerks have suggested some follow-up actions in the table in paragraph 3.

I propose that we take each letter in turn. I will ask the committee for any views, and then for agreement, on how we wish to proceed with each of them.

We will start with the letter that the committee received from the Minister for Community Safety in relation to legal aid. Do members wish to make any comments on the correspondence?

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much for that. Members have made valid points, not least in recognising what, at this point, the committee鈥檚 role is and is not.

I found both sets of correspondence to be comprehensive and helpful in setting out the historical context for today鈥檚 legal aid provision. It is clearly not a straightforward situation and challenges remain with regard to everyone getting to where they would like to be. I agree with Collette Stevenson about our ideally having a system that meets the needs of those who work in it and those who are in receipt of the services that are provided through legal aid.

I do not want to repeat the points that members have already covered. I am therefore happy to pick them up and link with SPICe to get further information on the context of all of this, as well as the timeline that Jamie Greene has mentioned, which would be helpful.

I note that the Scottish Government is currently in negotiations and has undertaken to update us on their progress, as well as on the review of the Public Defence Solicitors Office. I am happy for us to write the minister for an update on that progress and to refer to the Edinburgh Bar Association letter that we received yesterday. We will also cover the issue in our budget scrutiny, as it will form an important part of that forthcoming process.

I therefore propose that we link with SPICe and write to the minister on the points that we have raised. Are members happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I move to our second letter, which is from the Scottish Government and outlines its plans following the consultation on the not proven verdict and other matters. Yesterday in Parliament we heard an update in relation to the programme for government around the proposals to abolish the not proven verdict.

Do members wish to make any comments on that correspondence?

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. You are right that there does not seem to be any indication that naloxone is being used鈥攐r being carried鈥攁t the moment. I am more than happy to write to the SFRS, to raise the points that you have made and to get a more detailed update on progress around that. Are members happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Yes鈥攊t is just as easy to do that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Jamie, do you want to come in? I will then bring in Collette Stevenson.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 June 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2022 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Collette Stevenson.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is consideration of our approach to the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 June 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of a negative instrument. I refer members to paper 1. Do members have any questions on the content of the instrument?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 June 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I, too, associate myself with the comments that Fulton MacGregor and Katy Clark have made. It is a welcome step forward, and the spirit of it seems to be perfectly sound.

On that basis, members are content not to make any specific recommendations to the Parliament on the instrument. I thank members for their views.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. We move into private session.

10:34 Meeting continued in private until 11:39.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Numbers and New Pension Arrangements

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Audrey Nicoll

That was a helpful discussion and a lot of legitimate points were raised. Without diminishing what is happening, because this is an exceptional departure of police officers in terms of the numbers that are involved, Police Scotland ordinarily has an exodus of officers year on year, as members know. The numbers of officers leaving is to a certain extent dictated by 30 years ago. In the 1970s, a high number of officers were recruited, courtesy of pay and conditions improving. To a certain extent, divisional forces before Police Scotland and now Police Scotland have experience of managing that changing staff profile, but I agree that this is an unusual set of circumstances, which arises out of the change in pension provisions and arrangements.

It is important that we have been able to put our views on the record. We have published the letters that we received from Police Scotland and the Scottish Police Federation, which were helpful. It is also important to note that the Scottish Police Authority has an important role in managing and responding to the issue.

Given that we are a couple of weeks away from recess, if members agree, I propose to follow up by asking Police Scotland for its initial response to the correspondence from Scottish Police Federation and to comment on the concerns that it raises. We can consider the potential underpinning budget issues in our forthcoming budget scrutiny process. At this point in the year, if members agree, as a starting point, we should ask Police Scotland for its response to the SPF鈥檚 comments, keep the situation under review and revisit it when we feel that that is required. Do members agree with that?