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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I will pull things together from both pieces of correspondence. Mr Evans’s update tells us that the SPA’s people committee is leading its oversight of police numbers. The SPA received an update in June, and at that time it was satisfied with where work was taking Police Scotland in responding to the numbers of people who are leaving. The SPA asked for further information on the leavers’ reasons for leaving, and that is set out to an extent in the correspondence.

On policing performance, Mr Evans’s update informs us that the appropriate SPA committee—the policing performance committee—is monitoring that issue. I took a little bit of reassurance from that.

Then there is the important area of wellbeing, which the committee has looked at recently. Members will know that we have a session coming up in which we will consider policing and mental health, including both the response to poor mental health in communities, which we have spoken about, and the impact of the demands of policing on police officer and staff mental health. In that session, I would certainly want us to probe the issues that we have spoken about today.

On the financial issues that we have raised and the coming budget constraints, we will obviously consider those closely during our forthcoming budget scrutiny process, which will be in late October.

There is a lot for us to think about and discuss. I anticipate that both Mr Evans and Mr Page will be invited to give evidence at our evidence sessions on the budget. If members agree, we will take forward in those two forums the issues that we have discussed today.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

If there are no other comments from members, I am happy to write and ask for that information.

The next letter is from the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans on the funding for recovery cafes in Scottish prisons. Are there comments on that correspondence? Obviously, we are aware of the statement on the national mission that will be made in Parliament—I think tomorrow—which might also incorporate an update on work to progress provisions such as recovery cafes. Are members happy to agree to the suggested recommendations in regard to that letter?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I agree. I found the letter very helpful in setting out quite a lot of information that had either slipped off my radar or that I was not aware of.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Are members happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Absolutely. Are members happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I see that no one else has any other comments.

Thank you for those helpful views. Based on my professional experience, I absolutely agree that the historical rationale for cross-border placements probably made sense at the time, but we are now in 2022 and our thinking has moved on. It is definitely a real issue.

Jamie Greene referred to the children’s care and justice bill that was mentioned in the programme for government yesterday. Do members agree that we should come back to the issue, perhaps in the autumn, once we can see where the bill is going? In the meantime, we can flag our interest to the lead committee and to the Parliamentary Bureau when the bill is published. Are members happy with that proposal?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next letter is correspondence from Martyn Evans, who is the chair of the Scottish Police Authority, about changes to the police pension scheme. There is also an associated letter from David Page, who is the deputy chief officer at Police Scotland. Again, I will open up the floor to comments. The letters were in relation to some correspondence from us requesting an update on progress around the impact of the pension scheme changes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Absolutely. I agree with that, Fulton, and maybe we should think about staff members in that regard, as well as police officers. I propose that we keep the issue on our programme and come back to it down the line. Are members happy with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Audrey Nicoll

You are correct. It works with offenders in that field.