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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2022 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning, but I should say that Collette Stevenson has had to leave the committee room. Hopefully, she will be able to rejoin us soon.

Agenda item 1 is an evidence-taking session on the legislative consent memorandum to the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill. I welcome to the meeting the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans Keith Brown and, from the Scottish Government, Helen Nisbet, deputy director, defence, security and cyber resilience; Michael Sim, defence policy manager; and Nicholas Duffy, senior principal legal officer. I refer members to paper 1.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I missed a bit of what you said, Fulton. Did you suggest exploring opportunities for retired officers and staff to access the treatment centres?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Are you looking at the correct paper?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

You are way ahead of us.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of two items of correspondence that the committee has received. The details are in paper 4. Do members wish to comment on the suggested course of action on those items?

I will start with the letter from NHS Scotland on medical prescriptions for prisoners on their release. Does anyone wish to comment on that? Are we happy with that? There is a helpful outline of the situation in NHS Scotland with specific reference to access to medication. I note that, at the end of the letter that we received from Caroline Lamb, she has undertaken to

“ask Health Boards to work with the Scottish Prison Service to consider the issues raised by the Committee and the Wise Group and identify any practical actions that could help ensure people leaving prison can access prescriptions.â€

Are members happy to note the information in the letter and to await a further update?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Okay—we will note that point.

If members have nothing to raise on the letter from Police Scotland, I will bring the public part of the meeting to a close. The next meeting will be on Wednesday 14 December, when we will start our oral evidence taking on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. We move now into private session.

12:16 Meeting continued in private until 12:50.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I thank the cabinet secretary and his officials for attending. We will have a short suspension before moving on.

11:34 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I thank members for their comments.

To summarise, we are looking to strike a balance. There is our desire to deal timeously with the LCM, and, as has been pointed out, we have to take into consideration timescales elsewhere. However, it is important that all members are comfortable that we have fully considered the implications of the bill and, accordingly, feel that we, as individual members, can take a position on it.

On that basis, I propose my initial suggestion to delay putting the question of consent to committee members today so that we can obtain more information. I note Jamie Greene’s comments about seeking copies of correspondence, if possible. He also mentioned the Lord Advocate, which is entirely appropriate, given her role in this. We will come back to the matter at a future meeting, when we will give it further consideration and, I hope, come to a conclusion. Do members agree to that approach?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of some recent work that we have undertaken on policing and mental health. I refer members to papers 2 and 3.

Before we begin our discussion, I record our thanks to all the police officers who spoke to us privately. Their brave and incredibly helpful testimony is really invaluable to our ability to question Police Scotland on how it supports its officers and staff.

In paper 3, the committee is invited to agree to a series of recommendations on follow-up actions as a result of our conversations. I invite members to comment and give their views on the suggested actions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Audrey Nicoll

That is a fair comment. I am happy to do that.

If there is nothing else on that letter, we will move on to the letter from Police Scotland on cyberkiosk training. Do members have any comments on that? Did you want to come in on that, Collette?

12:15