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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

On the wellbeing of children who are caught up in domestic abuse, as Jamie Hepburn was asking his questions—and I think that this came out in our earlier lines of questioning—I was thinking that parts 1 and 2 of the bill have the potential to impose an additional layer of bureaucracy. Some might consider that that activity could be better used elsewhere in the overall effort to tackle violence against women and girls. That layer of bureaucracy would potentially be placed not only on services and organisations, but on families and, indirectly, children. I am thinking about families in which children are already grappling with getting through daily life, and the potential for registration or for participation in the assessment process for rehabilitation. These are all things that families have to negotiate and insert into their daily lives, at a time when life can already be quite difficult.

I am interested in the witnesses’ views on the extent to which what we are trying to achieve via the bill’s provisions, particularly in parts 1 and 2, could result in unintended negative consequences for families, victims and, in particular, children and their wellbeing. Glyn Lloyd, do you want to come in on that from a social work point of view?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

As no other members have any further questions, I bring in Pam Gosal.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. That is kind of what I was getting at in my question.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Glyn Lloyd is indicating that he has nothing more to add on that.

This might have come out in some of your earlier responses—if so, I apologise because I must have missed it—but the committee has heard evidence about MAPPA, which was not designed to be used in relation to domestic abuse offenders. To return to Detective Superintendent Brown and Glyn Lloyd, based on your experience, would MAPPA work to assess managed domestic abuse offenders, as defined in the bill, given that the system is designed to be used to deal with a specific group of offenders?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Those would have to be robustly evidence based.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the 34th meeting of the Criminal Justice Committee in 2025. We have received no apologies this morning. Fulton MacGregor will join us presently, and we are joined by Pam Gosal.

Our first item of business is to continue our evidence taking on the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill. We have one panel of witnesses today, and I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for questions. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I welcome Dr Emma Forbes, national lead for domestic abuse at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Professor Liz Gilchrist, member of the criminal law committee of the Law Society of Scotland; Detective Superintendent Adam Brown, from Police Scotland; and Glyn Lloyd, chief social work officer and head of children’s and community justice services at Dundee City Council, and chair of the justice standing committee at Social Work Scotland. A warm welcome to you all, and thank you very much for the written submissions that you have provided.

Before we start, I remind members and our witnesses to be succinct in their questions and answers. I also remind members that they can select specific witnesses to respond to their questions. That will help us to get through as many questions and responses as possible.

I will open up with a question relating to part 1, which is on notification requirements and monitoring under the multi-agency public protection arrangements, or MAPPA. I will come to Dr Forbes first, and I will then work along the panel, bringing in Professor Gilchrist, Detective Superintendent Brown and then Glyn Lloyd.

Could you set out the role of your organisation in the current multi-agency approach to domestic abuse? That could include the use of the multi-agency risk assessment conference, or MARAC, the multi-agency tasking and co-ordination domestic abuse programme, or MATAC, and the disclosure scheme for domestic abuse. In your view, does the current approach work? Could it be improved? Do the provisions of the bill improve or add to the current approach? I know that you may come to this from more of a philosophical perspective, Professor Gilchrist.

I ask Dr Forbes to open up.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We move to Jamie Hepburn.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 33rd meeting of the Criminal Justice Committee in 2025. We have no apologies this morning. Fulton MacGregor is joining us online, and we are also joined by Pam Gosal MSP.

Our first item of business is to decide whether to consider all the evidence heard on, and any follow-up correspondence or action from, our consideration of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service delivery review in private at this meeting and at future meetings. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will have to ask for your question, please.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I ask you to select one or two of the witnesses to respond, because we are running out of time.