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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Our next agenda item is consideration of a negative statutory instrument. I refer members to paper 3. Are members content not to make any recommendations to the Parliament on the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I think that David Threadgold wants to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will come in. It is important that we understand where processes have had room for improvement, to date, but I am quite keen for us to use the session to look at how that is done going forward rather than looking back. It is absolutely appropriate that we look at where the issues are, but I would like us to focus on where improvement and changes can be made.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. This is the committee鈥檚 last meeting before the summer recess, so there are some smiles around the room this morning.

We have received no apologies this morning.

The first item of business is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of the responses to police officer and staff suicides. This is a very important and sensitive subject, and I am pleased that we have found time before the recess to hold this session.

Before we begin, I want to thank the families and friends of officers who have spoken to some members of the committee about their experiences.

I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses to the committee. Stewart Carle is general secretary of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents. Andy Shanks is deputy procurator fiscal, specialist casework, and head of the Scottish fatalities investigation unit of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. Assistant Chief Constable Gary Ritchie leads Police Scotland鈥檚 partnerships, prevention and community wellbeing division, and Katy Miller is Police Scotland鈥檚 director of people and development. Fiona McQueen is chair of the Scottish Police Authority鈥檚 people committee. David Threadgold is chair of the Scottish Police Federation. I extend a warm welcome to you all.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I thank the witnesses who provided additional written submissions.

The session will run for about 90 minutes. Given the size of the panel, I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers, if possible. I ask that members direct their questions to one or more of the witnesses, at least initially, and then we will see how we go.

I will begin with an open question for all our witnesses. We have been advised that it is anticipated that about four officers per year take their own lives. However, at the moment, there is no formal data collection on those numbers and there have been, I believe, no fatal accident inquiries held into the circumstances to date. That is an issue for some members of the committee.

I have two key questions. First, does that concern you? Secondly, what are the main issues that need to be addressed, or the main processes that need to be improved, in relation to how we prevent or respond to police officer and staff suicide?

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Rona Mackay, then Pauline McNeill.

10:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will move on to questions from other members and then come back to Mr Findlay if we have time.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Mr Shanks might want to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Responses to Police Officer and Staff Suicides

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks very much. We will come back to a lot of the points that you have raised.