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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Under the next item of business, we are to review the progress that is being made on improving the response to deaths in prison custody. I welcome Gill Imery, who is the external chair overseeing implementation of the independent review of the response to deaths in prison custody.

I refer members to paper 2, which contains background information on Gill Imery’s work and a short summary setting out her views on the progress that is being made in response to the recommendations that are contained in the review report. I intend to run the evidence session for about 60 minutes, although we have a little bit of time in hand.

I invite Gill to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. I will open up the session to members and hand over to Russell Findlay. Other members can indicate when they would like to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

The aggravator is clearly an operational issue and whether it is appropriate to include it would be at officers’ discretion, but I note your point.

My recollection is that we were quite keen that something like a public awareness campaign be explored because there are previous indications that that would be quite effective.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is fine. We can check that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Indeed. I have one final question about the feelings of families, as things stand, in respect of the slow pace of implementation of the recommendations. You clearly have close contact with families. What do they feel about where we are now?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks for that—I remember that we raised that valid point. Consideration of that model is, potentially, quite a big piece of work to undertake, but we can ask more questions, because it is a valid point.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. Before I bring in other members, I will ask a general question about the expectation around timescales. There was one key recommendation and a number of other recommendations. Given that the recommendations apply across a system rather than across just one organisation, was there an expectation of how long might be considered reasonable for the recommendations to be implemented?

Criminal Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Katy Clark.

Our first item of business is to welcome Sharon Dowey to her first meeting of the committee. I look forward to working with her. I invite her to declare any interests that are relevant to the committee’s remit.

Criminal Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests in relation to agenda item 7, which is our approach to the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill, albeit that we will discuss it in private. I am a former police officer.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I know that members will be looking more deeply into that aspect.

I am keen for our session to focus on progress on the recommendations, but it might be helpful to step back a bit first. As you said, given the size of the prison population in Scotland, it is, sadly, inevitable that there will be some deaths in the prison estate. It might be helpful if you were to outline a bit of context regarding the experience of mortality in prisons. What are the common underlying reasons, for example?