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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. There is plenty there for members to focus in on. I will bring in Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Quite a few members want to come in. I will bring in John Swinney and then Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will stop there and we will move on to the next part, which is embedding trauma-informed practice. I will bring Russell Findlay back in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Forensic Pathology Services

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. That concludes the public part of our agenda. At our next meeting on 1 November, we will continue our evidence taking on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. We will hear from organisations on the proposals to embed trauma-informed practice in the criminal justice system.

We now move into private session.

12:01 Meeting continued in private until 12:35.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. I will bring in Katy Clark and Pauline McNeill and then we will have to move on.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

We will move swiftly on to questions on part 3 of the bill, which is on special measures in civil cases.

At our previous evidence session, Scottish Women鈥檚 Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland argued that the scope of who is deemed vulnerable in the bill was not broad enough and that special measures should be available to those who are deemed to be vulnerable. Can you all say, as succinctly as possible, what your view on that is? Is there any drawback to the proposed changes?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Is there anything that Jonathan Campbell would like to add to that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I might come back to that. Is there anything that Jamie Foulis would like to add?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Okay. Thanks for that.

On special measures that are in place for criminal cases in a broader sense, are the current arrangements for special measures adequately used and making a difference? I go back to previous evidence that we have heard, particularly from Children 1st. It had concerns about the effectiveness of special measures in the criminal context, and it did not feel that they were working as well as they should.

Criminal Justice Committee

Forensic Pathology Services

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Do members have any other comments?

Thank you very much for those comments, which are all absolutely appropriate. From my perspective, I welcome the observations of HM Inspectorate of Prosecution. This has perhaps been a long time coming. From personal experience, I know about some of the challenges that are faced in relation to the provision of pathology services in local areas. I highlight the fact that the challenges that we face in that regard perhaps extend to other organisations, such as Police Scotland, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and even education bodies, but that is perhaps a bit further down the line in terms of our wider approach.

With regard to the recommendation that is made in our paper, are members happy for us to pursue that approach now and then to revisit the issue?

Members indicated agreement.