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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

We move on to our second panel, whose members represent the five justice agencies that, under the bill, will be required to have regard to trauma-informed practice. I welcome Laura Buchan, who is procurator fiscal policy and engagement at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Sue Brookes, who is interim director of strategy and stakeholder engagement at the Scottish Prison Service; Chief Superintendent Derek Frew, who is from Police Scotland; John Watt, who is chairperson of the Parole Board for Scotland; and David Fraser, who is executive director of court operations at the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service. A warm welcome to you all. Thank you very much for your written submissions.

I intend to allow 90 minutes for this session. Given the size of the panel, I request that members and panel members keep their questions and responses as focused and succinct as possible. I also request that we keep our discussion focused on the specific provisions in the bill, since that is the purpose of our scrutiny today. I expect that the bulk of our questions will focus on part 2 of the bill. I appreciate that members may also have questions on parts 1 and 3. If so, could they please keep those until the end of the session?

As usual, I will start with a general opening question. We will work our way across, from Mr Fraser on my left, to Ms Buchan. In broad terms, are you supportive of the provisions in the bill that are aimed at encouraging the use of trauma-informed practice, why, and what difference to your current practice will the bill make?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

It was very well made. Thank you very much.

I call Pauline McNeill, to be followed by Russell Findlay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Can I stop you there? Is this a live case?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Sue, do you want to comment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Katy Clark and then we will have to look to wind things up. Please be as brief and succinct as possible in your questions and answers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

It has been a comprehensive session, and I thank all the panel members for their time this morning. We will have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of panel members.

12:03 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Under our next item of business, we will continue our pre-budget scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s 2024-25 budget. I am pleased to give a warm welcome to Karyn McCluskey, who is the chief executive of Community Justice Scotland, and to Chris McCully and Bill Fitzpatrick, who are also from Community Justice Scotland. Thank you for your comprehensive written submission.

We have about 45 minutes for this session. Given the range of questions and responses that we had this morning, time has slightly caught up with us, so I propose that we drop items 3 and 4 from our agenda, which are our private discussions following the public session? Are members content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

As usual, I will open the questioning with a general question. Can you outline the main spending challenges relating to either Community Justice Scotland’s budget or the sums that are allocated for community justice more generally?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Caroline Bruce, do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

You mentioned the framework and I am sure that members will have some questions about that. I will open the meeting up to members now, if anybody would like to come in.