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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks, Ellie. There is a lot in what you have said that members will pick up on.

Before I open up the questioning to committee members, I welcome Jennifer McCann, who was held up in getting here. It is nice to see you. We will let you get settled in.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am reluctant to intervene but a few members want to come in and we have a bit to cover.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Could I move things on?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that.

I come back to Dr Scott. You spoke helpfully about the specialist domestic abuse courts that we have been developing in Scotland and how they have demonstrated excellent outcomes.

I will shift a little bit to discuss the proposal for, and the piloting of, judge-only trials. There are different views on that. We have heard that that was a clear recommendation from Lady Dorrian, and that the pilot would be time limited. Given your experience in a different context, I am interested in hearing your views on that proposal, given that there is a pilot.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

I come back to Sarah Ashby. You spoke about having had a more positive experience than some of the other women to whom we have spoken this morning. It sounds as though your positive experience was by virtue of relatively straightforward things, such as communication and being kept informed through phone calls and conversations. That is not exactly rocket science, and it should be quite intuitive in the justice system.

I am interested in your thoughts about how trauma-informed practice should be developed in the justice system. Does it need to be complicated or costly, or is it simply about a culture change so that relatively straightforward measures and tasks are delivered better?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Jennifer, do you want to comment on that? You do not have to, but I give you the option.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Sarah. I draw this session to a close. Again, I thank you all very much for your time. Your evidence is very important to us in thinking about the bill, so thank you again for joining us today.

We will have a short suspension to allow for a change of panel.

11:29 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We will have to close this evidence session shortly, but I want to ask all the witnesses if there is anything else about the bill that you would like to raise with us this morning. I just want to ensure that we have not missed anything that you were keen to share with us.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. You make a really interesting point about having what is almost a debriefing at the end of a trial.

Before I open up questioning to members, I come back to Hannah Stakes to speak about a trauma-informed environment in the court process, in particular, which we have been looking at and taking evidence on.

There are different views on how intimidating that environment can be. For some, as we heard from witnesses on the first panel, the solemnity of the court environment brings a feeling of seriousness to a survivor, in terms of how serious and important their case is.

I am interested in what views you might have about the court environment and how that could be improved. Does it need to be changed or altered, from a victim’s or survivor’s perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Carry on.