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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will stay with you, Professor Chalmers, before I open up to other members. You referred—I think that I am quoting you correctly—to the challenge of

“unravelling what is going on”,

looking across the wider body of evidence and research work that has been undertaken around rape myths.

In trying to understand the issue, how important is it that we are aware of, and take into account, the purpose of individual pieces of research and the context in which they were developed? I am thinking about avoiding the risk of comparing apples with pears with regard to what happens in one jurisdiction as set against another. How important is it that we are aware of that when we are considering what the evidence is telling us?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that we will come back to that question. I will open up the floor to members, starting with Katy Clark, who is joining us online.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Yes—I will hand over to Professor Thomas.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Katy, would you like to bring in anyone else on that issue?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Professor Munro, can I just come in? There is a lot of interest in this topic, and I know that members are keen to come in, as is Professor Chalmers. Therefore, I will bring in Professor Chalmers, and then we will move on.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I call Pauline McNeill, to be followed by John Swinney.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks very much for that. Professor Munro, I said that I would bring you in next. Would you like to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Professor Munro—there is a lot in there. I will move swiftly on and bring in Professor Chalmers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for your interesting commentary on how essential good technology is. Before I bring in Katy Clark for a final question, does Professor Thomas want to add anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Tony Lenehan KC, president of the Faculty of Advocates criminal bar association; Sheila Webster, president of the Law Society of Scotland; Alan McCreadie, solicitor and head of research and secretary to the Law Society of Scotland’s criminal law committee; and Simon Di Rollo KC. Welcome to you all. We are very grateful to you for joining the meeting.

I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this panel. I propose that we initially focus our questions on the proposal for a new sexual offences court before moving on to the proposal for a pilot for judge-led trials in certain rape cases. Finally, we can discuss the proposals for independent legal representation for complainers and anonymity for victims of sex offences.

As usual, I will open with my general question for the panel. Recently, in her evidence to the committee, Lady Dorrian argued that a specialist sexual offences court, among other measures, is required if we are to achieve the kind of changes that we need. She warned that piecemeal reforms would not bring about the necessary shift in culture. I will start by asking Tony Lenehan to respond to that.