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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The final question comes from Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The question is, that motion S6M-12106, to annul the Dangerous Dogs (Designated Types) (Scotland) Order 2024, be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Criminal Justice Committee

Investigatory Powers (Amendment) Bill

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum for the Investigatory Powers (Amendment) Bill, which is UK Parliament legislation. I refer members to paper 2. I invite any views or comments from members, including on whether the committee wishes to recommend to the Parliament that consent be given to the relevant provisions in the bill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I do not know that the committee has been made aware of that research. The clerks are looking at it just now, and we will ensure that it is circulated to members.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We will move on to part 6 of the bill, which contains the proposals for a pilot of juryless trials. As usual, I will kick off our questions.

Cabinet secretary, you will be aware of the concerns that have been raised about the proposed pilot of rape trials without juries. For example, the Faculty of Advocates has indicated that it strongly opposes such a pilot, stating that the rights of the accused would be compromised, and the Scottish Solicitors Bar Association has said that it will not take part. I am interested in your response to the concerns that have been expressed, and in whether you have had an opportunity for any engagement or discussions with some of the bodies that have been particularly opposed to the proposal.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We have had a long session, so I will move on to the other parts of part 6, on lifelong anonymity for survivors and independent legal representation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We have to move on. If there is time at the end, I am happy to come back to members who have further questions on part 4 of the bill.

We move on to part 5, which contains the provisions that relate to the creation of a sexual offences court. Cabinet secretary, you will be aware that, last week, Lord Matthews gave evidence to the committee during which he said:

鈥淭he judiciary is, broadly speaking, in favour of the proposal for a sexual offences court. We agree with the thinking of and the conclusions drawn by Lady Dorrian鈥檚 review group, for the various reasons that she has set out. Despite a number of statutory interventions over the years and the best efforts of everyone involved, the pace of change has been glacial, and we have not been able to effect the cultural change that we think is needed, because reform has been piecemeal.鈥濃擺Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 31 January 2024; c 21]

We have, of course, heard other concerns about the proposals on resourcing, sentencing powers and the ability of the Lord Justice General to remove judges. Have you had an opportunity to reflect on the evidence that we have heard, and are you able to provide some reassurance on the concerns that have been raised?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Let the cabinet secretary respond.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. We will now move into private session.

13:00 Meeting continued in private until 13:18.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We are running over time, but this is a vitally important discussion.