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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Bill

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

As the cabinet secretary noted, we are aware that there will be further LCMs, which the committee will consider.

Are members content to delegate responsibility to me and the clerks to approve a short factual report to the Parliament on the LCMs?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Bill

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We will now have a brief suspension to allow for a changeover of Government witnesses.

09:42 Meeting suspended.  

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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of evidence at stage 1 of the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Michelle Macleod, the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner; Phillip Chapman, director of operations; and Sharon Clelland, head of legal services, and I thank them for their comprehensive written evidence.

I refer members to papers 3 and 4. I should say that I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this evidence session.

I will kick off with a question for the commissioner. I was interested to note in your written submission your comments on the proposal for a duty of candour, specifically on the issue of officers timeously producing an operational statement to ensure that an investigation can continue without undue delay, or with as little delay as possible. We know that that can be challenging. You suggest:

鈥淎 legislative duty of co-operation for police officers鈥攁nd police staff鈥攚ould compel police officers to provide operational statements and attend within a reasonable timescale for interview.鈥

You then give an example of when that has been challenging. You go on to say:

鈥淭aking into account a person鈥檚 right not to self-incriminate鈥濃

which we have discussed in previous evidence sessions鈥

鈥渢he duty should apply only to officers and staff whose status has already been confirmed as that of a witness鈥.

All of that makes sense, but I am interested in hearing more about where that particular proposal comes from. What are the blockages that have created the timescale issue that you are dealing with? Do you think that compelling someone to produce a statement would work in practice?

There were a couple of questions in there, so I will now hand over to you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Both.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is an interesting response, which speaks to or is relevant to the potential for your role and the resource requirement around that to expand. The finance committee will look at the issue of models of commissioners.

I will go back to a question on the bill before I bring Sharon Dowey back in, if she still wants to ask a follow-up question.

In evidence, a lived experience witness spoke about the 鈥渨eaponisation鈥 of the system against those who are making complaints鈥攑erhaps through intimidation or obstruction. Is that something that you recognise? Is that a fair characterisation? That was commentary in evidence to us from a person who had been the subject of an investigation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Bill

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Forgive me, cabinet secretary, but may I put you on hold for a second? There is a slight procedural query that I am going to clarify.

I think that we have slightly jumped ahead. We will let you get to the correct part.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will come in quickly before Russell Findlay asks his final question. On access to police information, we spoke with the PIRC about access to Police Scotland鈥檚 Centurion system. I take it that you have no access to that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. That leads on quite nicely to another piece of work鈥擨 am stepping outside the bill for a moment, but I suppose that it is indirectly relevant.

You will be aware that the Scottish Parliament Finance and Public Administration Committee is doing a piece of work on the commissioner landscape in Scotland, and is taking evidence on the effectiveness of commissioners and their role.

A number of new commissioner posts have been proposed. However, one of the things that the finance committee has been looking at is why we need commissioners in the first place. What is happening or not happening that means that we need them? Are public bodies not fulfilling some of their duties around the conduct of staff or is there perhaps a wider societal issue, such as the cost of living crisis, that is having an impact on the public generally?

That is a really big question but I am interested in your perspective. You have a very demanding commissioner role鈥攖here are no doubts about that. Do you have any comment on that wider analysis or the question around the role of commissioners? Do we need them? [Laughter.] I know that you will say yes, and that is absolutely fine.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I have a couple of questions, the first of which relates to the functions of the PIRC, particularly in relation to police officers who have left the service. The bill clarifies the definition of the phrase

鈥減ersons serving with the police鈥

to allow the PIRC to investigate allegations of criminality against officers who have left the service, where the behaviour took place prior to their joining or while they were off duty. In your submission, you provide some evidence that the impact of such a provision could be that you would no longer have to run parallel investigations in certain circumstances. Do you envisage it impacting on any other aspects of CAAPD鈥檚 work or its role, given that it currently deals only with on-duty criminality?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

As there are no further questions, we move to consideration of the instrument. I am sure that I do not need to remind officials that only 成人快手 may speak in a debate on the motion. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-12734.

Motion moved,

That the Criminal Justice Committee recommends that the International Organisations (Immunities and Privileges) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2024 [draft] be approved.鈥擺Angela Constance]

Motion agreed to.