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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

The nub of the reforms is about ensuring that we sustain NHS dentistry in the long term. Like you, I have received lots of emails about the access that people have to dentistry. We have the reforms, but we also need to remember that the Scottish Government has put other grants in place. For example, the Scottish dental access initiative offers £100,000 for a new practice in an area. We have been in discussions with health boards to ensure that we target those grants in the right areas. We also have some remote—although I do not like using that term—grant payments, which are really important.

The conversations that Tom Ferris and I have with the health boards are also important, because the boards have a responsibility to look at how dental services are being provided in their jurisdictions. I was pleased to hear that Scottish Borders, Dumfries and Galloway and Highland are now working together to encourage more dentists to come to areas that have had recruitment issues. As I said to David Torrance, we also need to keep an eye on the breadth of skills in dental surgeries to ensure that they are supported.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

As I have said on a number of occasions, we believe that this is the right reform, building on the foundations of the way that dentistry is funded and provided in Scotland.

It is also incredibly important that we continue the dialogue with our dentists to ensure that we are getting the right changes made, whether they relate to governance, workforce or access, which are all important.

I know that Tim McDonnell wants to make some comments about access.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

The problem is that there is not an “average patient”. Everyone in Scotland comes as an individual to see their NHS dentist.

The letters that I have been getting—I am sure that you are the same as me, in this regard—are about access to service. That is what people are really pushing for: they want to ensure that we improve access to NHS dentistry. As I said earlier, what we aim to achieve through the changes in regulations and fee structures is sustainability of services.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

That is a really good question. The first thing that came into my head on NHS dentistry, and NHS boards more widely, was that people can feed in their views on the Care Opinion website. To be honest, high street dentistry—if I may describe it as that—is very much constructed of individual businesses, as Tim McDonnell has just said. However, I encourage people to use Care Opinion if they want to give feedback on NHS dentistry.

09:45  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

That is a very wide question. As I have said previously, the changes in the fee structure and the regulations will maintain and ensure the sustainability of the service across Scotland.

On encouraging people into dentistry, one of the areas that we want to look at is the workforce. There have been two pretty big impacts on the dentistry workforce. One is from Brexit and the difficulty that it created in getting dentists from outwith the United Kingdom to come to the UK. I have written to all my counterparts and their chief dental officers in the four nations, and we are organising a meeting to talk about how we can improve the throughput if dentists wish to come to practise in the UK—and specifically Scotland, from our perspective.

We also want to look at improving the workforce within dentistry. For example, there are some very highly skilled dental technicians, and we would like to explore giving them a bigger locus in seeing patients. We are talking about the possibility of doing that. That is not a magic bullet that will solve our issues, so we are working together on a lot of things. That is why the connections and discussions that we have with dentists, as Tim McDonnell and Tom Ferris have highlighted, are so important, whether they are through the BDA more widely or through the NHS directors of dentistry.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

As we know, we lost one cohort of dental students during the pandemic, which is about 160 students, or 5 per cent of the workforce. I am pleased to be able to let the committee know—I might also have referenced this in my letter—that 183 dental students are going through training this year, which is incredibly positive.

With regard to the point about dental students not wanting to move into NHS dentistry, I know that the COVID-19 Recovery Committee took such evidence. However, evidence that the Scottish Government and officials have had does not, in fact, show that. Many students want to go into the NHS because it gives them such a fantastic training base. My local practice on Islay supports trainees to come and experience working in a rural practice, which gives them a wide range of training opportunities.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

I have been in this role, and have been an elected person, long enough to know that it is very difficult to guarantee anything in this life. What we have done is based on discussions with dental practitioners in Scotland and takes cognisance of academic research, to which I referred earlier. We believe that it is the right change at this time to ensure that access to NHS dentistry in Scotland is maintained.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

The intention of the reforms is to ensure that we continue to make NHS dentistry attractive to dentists.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

Most definitely. The cost of living issue floods through every decision that we make just now, so it is absolutely something that we will be keeping an eye on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Jenni Minto

We have been aware of that in planning for the change, which will happen next week. As I said earlier, my officials have held a number of webinars with dentists to explain the new regulations and way of working. I understand that they have been extremely well appreciated and well attended. I think that there were about 1,000 people at the first webinar meeting, which was oversubscribed. As a result, another one is being held tomorrow evening to ensure that dentists are across the subject. We are also doing webinars on specific subjects, including periodontistry, to ensure that the reform is widely known about across the profession. Feedback has been incredibly positive.

I thank my officials for the work that they have put into that engagement, because I appreciate how important it is that the professionals absolutely understand the changes that we are making.

09:30  

On public messaging, you are absolutely right. In fact, I walked past a dental surgery in Glasgow the other day and thought, “Oh my goodness, they’ve got their poster out early”, but it was a different poster. We are doing a variety of public engagement and messaging, including posters in dental practices, libraries and so on, as well as a multimedia campaign, so the information will be on the radio and other media outlets. I hope that we have everything covered, but we will evaluate that as we go.