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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Can I move first to questions from Alex Rowley, then I will come back to you?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I ask Bee Boileau to raise her hand if she can hear me. We have a bit of a technical issue with one of the witnesses’ feeds.

I will move on to questions. As Bee is unable to hear us at the moment, I will start with Jonathan Cribb. Will you provide an idea of what the early retirement trends were prior to the pandemic? Have there been changes to trends previously following global shocks, such as the 2008 recession?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

That is really interesting, and it is one of the issues that we, as a committee, have been considering. That brings me to my next question. Do you think that the shift to early retirement will be sustained as another recession looms, or will the cost of living crisis, the likes of which we have not experienced in more than 40 years, reverse that trend because people will not be able to afford to retire?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you.

We had some technical issues, but I think that Bee Boileau is with us now. Can you hear us, Bee?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We move to questions; I will ask the first one.

My colleague Jim Fairlie brought up this issue during the earlier part of the meeting. I recently visited NHS Ayrshire and Arran to discuss menopausal support for its workforce, because 40 per cent of the board’s workforce is made up of women of menopausal age. Have you seen anything recently that has impacted women’s inactivity in the workforce due to menopause?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We have a couple more minutes left. Does anyone have any further questions? Does Brian Whittle want to come in?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

As no other member wishes to make any comments or to ask any more questions, I thank the witnesses for all their evidence and giving us their time. If they would like to raise any further points with the committee, they can do so in writing. The clerks would be happy to liaise with them about how to do that.

The committee will undertake some informal engagement sessions before we conclude the evidence taking in the inquiry on 8 December, when we will hear from the Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave and for the meeting to move into private.

11:22 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I have a point to make before we move on to Alex Rowley. We get the data on the positive destinations of kids who leave school at, say, the age of 17, but it would be really interesting to have the data on where they are at the age of 25.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We should remember that we are focusing on the inactive retired.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. We have received apologies from Murdo Fraser.

This morning we will continue our inquiry into the impact of the pandemic on the Scottish labour market. Joining us online are Marek Zemanik, senior policy advisor, Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development; and Bee Boileau, research economist, and Jonathan Cribb, associate director, Institute for Fiscal Studies. Joining us in person are David Fairs, executive director of regulatory policy, analysis and advice, the Pensions Regulator; and Dr Liz Cameron CBE, director and chief executive, Scottish Chambers of Commerce. Welcome.

Thank you for giving us your time this morning and for your recent written submissions. We estimate that this session will run up to 10.20. Each member will have around 11 minutes to speak to the witnesses and to ask their questions. Members, you should please catch my eye if you have a question before your slot.

If witnesses attending remotely would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, they should please type R in the chat box and we will bring them in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance that, if time runs on too much, I might have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interest of brevity.

I ask that the witnesses introduce themselves, starting with David Fairs.