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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

I would say that that is a fair summary.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

I would say that that is correct. The speed also concerned us, because when the timescale was announced on 31 October, the first stage ran up to 31 December, and owners had until 31 January to register for the exemption. There have been unintended consequences since then. For example, what happens when someone who had an XL bully dog dies? We are dealing with that through the second SSI. The UK Government is now having to deal with that issue, too. Because the legislation was rushed through, we are trying to pick up from where we are now, and we hope to implement the legislation better than it has been implemented in England and Wales.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

Yes, they have.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

One of the concerns that we had about the initial announcement of the ban down south was that there was a loophole in that regard. We tried to get certainty on that, and we did not get that until 12 or 14 December鈥擨 am sorry; I cannot remember the exact date. That was the reason why we had concerns. When I wrote my letter on 14 November, I felt confident at that stage that, on 31 December, because we have a system of dog control notices through local authorities, which have powers to deal with dangerous dogs locally, we would be in the same position as England and Wales. However, we did not envisage that people would bring XL bully dogs up to Scotland during the Christmas period. Community safety has to be paramount in that regard, which is why this decision has been made.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

No, they do not鈥攁nd that is one of the concerns that has been raised during stakeholder engagement. Referring to the 61,000 applications that have been registered and the point that more than 200 owners have decided not to keep their dogs, I do not know, specifically, if they have all been put down. I do not know whether Jim Wilson knows that detail.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

I have concerns. The issue of the definition of an XL bully has been raised with me since day 1, which is why we want to be very clear as we move forward, especially on the Scottish Government website. The description has to be done in a way that supports people to identify whether they have an XL bully.

Christine Grahame is correct that the issue has been sensationalised in the past couple of months in newspaper articles and on television. Some supposed XL bully dogs would not be identified as such through the height definition. That has caused confusion with the general public, as well.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

Stakeholders raised the issue of rehoming centres鈥攜ou will know about those鈥攁nd the possibility of allowing those centres an extension so that they can rehome XL bullies. Unfortunately, however, in the circumstances in which we currently find ourselves, if that loophole was opened, it would鈥攁gain鈥攁llow dogs to be brought up to rehoming centres in Scotland to be distributed throughout the country.

We can look at that with the implementation group, but I would have concerns about it. Jim Wilson might want to come in on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

I mentioned earlier the unintended consequences of this legislation, such as the issue if someone dies. These things are being considered and, as Jim Wilson outlined, we will consider them. We have the implementation group, and it could be very worthy of consideration to include the group that you mention. I do not know whether Jim wants to give his view on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

Just to give a little clarity, in the past couple of weeks鈥擨 am not sure whether the situation was the consequence of somebody dying and XL bullies having to be rehomed鈥攖he SSPCA was trying to rehome four XL bullies before Friday, because it will have to adhere to the legislation on rehoming that comes into force then.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Siobhian Brown

It was not that I specifically chose not to meet them. I was being updated every week and, when I found out that the legislation was going to be put in place in England and Wales, I had no detail about it at that stage. I said to Jim Wilson that I wanted to meet all stakeholders to get their view on what was happening in England and Wales. I have lived, breathed and dreamed XL bully dogs since last November. It is not that I did want to meet the UK Government; I was watching exactly what was happening as the measures were implemented down south.