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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. One of the things that I have talked about regularly in relation to the Promise is inconsistencies across the local picture. Some fantastic things are going on across our local authorities, but we need to ensure that they are spread out—we need to share best practice. The Promise progress framework is one of a number of things that will be key to allowing local authorities to see how other areas are doing things and to make changes as a result.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

The longer-term impact of some of the measures that we have been discussing today will help, although that might not help the specific young person who you were speaking to. We would be happy to pick up discussions on individual cases—although perhaps not in the committee’s time—so you are more than welcome to follow that up if you would like to do so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am sorry, Mr Ross, but I do not know the context behind it, so I am not going to give you a yes or no answer. I have assured you that I will go away and look at it. I do not believe that it fits with the ethos of the Promise and, as I said, if conversations or discussions need to be had around that, I will absolutely have them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I can bring in my officials in a second to speak to any further engagement that may have taken place. However, Mr Rennie, there are a number of things that cross my desk on a daily basis that I would have to say are, at times, decisions for either local schools or local authorities to make—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That is disappointing, and I hope that decisions are not being made at a local level to save money when that will have a direct impact on the delivery of the Promise. If we deliver on the aims of the Promise, at the end of the day, there will be a huge saving for local authorities, so I really hope that those decisions are not being made on a financial basis.

As I have said, in relation to the forthcoming bill and support for care-experienced children and young people, things such as aftercare and advocacy are part of our consideration.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

No—I said that it is a last resort at the moment, and I believe that the work—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I believe that the work that we are carrying out to deliver on the aims of the Promise, in supporting children and young people, will lead to children and young people having happier lives. I believe that the work that we are undertaking to tackle poverty will lead to children and young people having happier lives, and I would hope that, by 2030, when we are supposed to have delivered on the Promise, there will be fewer reasons for children to behave in ways that would see them being excluded from school.

There are other reasons that children are not in school, over and above behaviour, and those need to be considered, too. As I said, I am considering further work on that as a result of this discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Well, I was, Mr Rennie—sorry, but you are incorrect on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, I have probably been discussing such things with virtual headteachers in virtual schools, rather than with local authorities themselves. It would be the cabinet secretary who would discuss matters of attendance and issues around that with COSLA.

I am more than happy to take that away, but, as I have said, I believe that there is support in place and that the school should look to support the pupil and understand the reasons for their behaviour or whatever it is that has led to them being considered to be excluded, and that all possible avenues should be explored before that decision is made.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not believe so. I understand the pressures that the social work workforce is under, and we are taking a number of steps to support them. We have alluded to the national social work agency, and I have spoken about inconsistencies and different experiences for different children and young people, which our work to support the workforce seeks to improve.