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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I will bring in Nico on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely. The Government considers the term “details” in the context of paragraph 6 of the schedule to the regulations to be sufficiently clear as meaning the details about the person for whom the individual is carrying out a regulated role, as that would enable Disclosure Scotland to establish whether a regulated role is or was being carried out and to have the contact details to make further inquiries.

The regulations would only require the chief constable to provide information that is held by them. It would also apply only to referrals made by the chief constable.

The Scottish ministers are required, under section 84A of the Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007, to issue guidance to the chief constable about the exercise of our functions under parts 1 and 2 of the act. This guidance will include guidance on the operation of referrals under part 1 of the act.

Essentially, the Scottish Government considers the term “details” to be sufficiently clear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

The prescribed information that the chief constable must refer is the individual’s name or any other names by which they are known; the individual’s most recent address and any other addresses at which the individual has been resident; the individual’s date and place of birth; the type of regulated role that the individual is considered to have been doing; the relevant period in which the role was being done; the responsibilities that were undertaken; and for whom that role was being done in that period.

The information that is prescribed in the regulations is similar to other information that must be referred to the Scottish ministers under other types of referral.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Apologies, convener, for misunderstanding your question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I have seen progress.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes, I would. However, as Saskia Kearns has outlined, the issue is more about the risk that the bill carries. Again, we want consistency across our local authority areas and our schools with regard to experiences of outdoor learning and their frequency on a day-to-day basis, and I would just highlight that the bill poses a risk in that respect.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry—has the Government made any plans?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

The Government is doing as Government does, and is taking the legislation bit by bit. I have met Liz Smith on several occasions, and officials have been liaising with her and other organisations and stakeholders who are involved in this work. The Government will plan accordingly, as it needs to.

I have already spoken about a number of the areas in which we are taking action to improve consistency in outdoor learning. However, as I have already said, I do not necessarily feel that the bill is the be-all and end-all for all children and young people, given its narrow scope with regard to the specific experience that it provides for, and whether it is right for all children. I believe that that was brought up in the evidence sessions and the committee will have to consider it in its scrutiny of the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I think so, and it goes back to what I said earlier about the risk of narrowing people’s scope and vision of outdoor learning to that one specific experience. I saw some of the evidence on that in the committee when Dr Scrutton indicated that the nature of the residential outdoor experience is evolving and that it could include activities to promote more academic work in an outdoor setting.

The member is spot on. As I have said, I want to see outdoor learning on a day-to-day basis across a number of different environments. There is evidence that people from lower income backgrounds could benefit more from that kind of experience, but the same could be said of a number of different outdoor experiences. Some children and young people might prefer a historical learning experience, for example. I am concerned about the narrow scope of the bill.

Of course, while understanding the benefits that such an experience can give, it must be remembered that that risks taking away from the wider number of outdoor experiences that children and young people could have and from the on-going work to improve that and to improve consistency across Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I have not had any yet, because we are looking at the evidence sessions for the committee’s scrutiny of the bill. I have been interested to hear the evidence. As I said, I have been discussing the bill with the member in charge for more than a year. I have had the concerns that I have raised at this meeting and it has been important to me to hear what the evidence sessions brought out—what the stakeholders said and what their concerns were. I will be interested to see what the committee feels about the concerns and issues that we have discussed. Ultimately, that will help to direct the Government’s position, as is the case with any other piece of legislation that committees scrutinise.