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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

That is exactly the point that I have been highlighting. If that funding was not forthcoming or there were no other funding opportunities, the Scottish Government would be liable for that, because the provision would be set in statute. That is a large concern and one that we have heard echoed in the evidence that the committee has taken. It is definitely something that the committee needs to consider, especially in relation to commencement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, I would have to see the figures and the context around them—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

As I have already said, there will be a period of strong engagement with the organisations concerned over the three months between 1 April and 1 July 2025 and I fully expect such conversations to come up. If that is proving a barrier for organisations, I fully expect that to be flagged up during the engagement period.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

As Mr Wilks has advised, there is on-going engagement and work in relation to gaining that data. We are happy to provide the committee with that when it is calculated or determined.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

No, that will not be classed as a mandatory role in the new scheme. There has been a lot of work on that, and I know that the Education and Skills Committee scrutinised the issue during the passage of the 2020 act. The member will understand that that predates my time in the Parliament slightly, so I will bring in officials to speak about some of the work and why elected members will not be included in that mandatory scheme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

No. I do not believe so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely—and I give thanks to the teachers who have been doing that, on the basis that Mr Greer lays out. That brings me back to my concerns about capacity and deliverability, especially regarding timescales—and I have discussed that with the member in charge of the bill. It is a matter of enabling or having staffing readiness. Mr Greer alludes to the good will of teachers, but the proposed activities would be on a much larger scale, and that should be part of the committee’s consideration.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I guess that it comes down to opinion. The Government is spending nearly £1 billion on access to the 1,140 hours every year. That is a considerable amount of money, and that provision is very important to families. It is important that that provision receives associated direction from Government.

I believe that Government tries to give as much autonomy and independence as it can to local authorities and schools. Ring fencing is perhaps more appropriate for those bigger issues than it is for a wider range of issues. I have spoken before about the inconsistencies that I see in relation to a number of things. Much of the discussion that we have had today centres on that, in that some children and young people are seeing the benefits of the kind of experience that we are discussing, or outdoor learning in general, while others are not, and I would like to drive consistency on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

No. I think that the measures will help to resolve delays. Gareth Wilks has already alluded to an on-going process of digitisation in Disclosure Scotland that is helping to drive efficiencies and improve timescales.

I might need officials to correct me, but I believe that four days is the average time for the year to date. I am getting a nod, so I think that that is correct. I would expect those efficiencies and the timescales to continue to improve as a result of the many on-going improvements.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I will update the committee accordingly, as is the process with legislation.