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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I am neutral on the bill at the moment. I look forward to seeing the committee’s scrutiny and the outcome of the committee’s report. If I am in favour of the bill, a financial memorandum will absolutely accompany that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Mr Kidd raises an important point about evidence that shows that some centres are not busy enough—and I know that members feel that the bill would help with that—but we also know that some centres are too busy. I believe that one centre is booked up for a considerable amount of time—indeed, a number of years. It brings me back to some of my concerns about the bill’s financial implications and the unknown factor of what centres would be required—and where, which I think is a really important point.

As for working with local authorities, that would absolutely be a given when it came to making progress on the bill. Equally, with regard to our focus on outdoor learning, I alluded in my opening statement to the Government’s support for centres during Covid. I would expect discussions with local authorities to continue; the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities sits on the working group that I have mentioned, and it plays a key role in feeding in local authority views.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I have already talked about a lot of the on-going work. Outdoor learning does not necessarily have to cost anything; you can take the classroom outdoors to a number of settings. As I have said, there are nurseries that have built themselves up as fully outdoor nurseries. I do not have the exact cost details to show whether their costs are any higher than those of a traditional indoor nursery, and I do not have a price tag for what we are spending on outdoor learning at the moment.

However, as I said earlier, there are ways of driving efficiency with regard to expanding access to outdoor learning. There are a number of competing pressures that I know that members will consider when they think of specific numbers in relation to the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I will bring in officials to speak to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Apologies—I misheard the question. I was referring to the discussion on elected members relating to ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ in the previous committee scrutiny and discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I have given you some of the reasons why that has been on-going. It was agreed that the act would be implemented—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

This is a member’s bill. Are you referring to the Government’s projections?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I agree that more should be done for outdoor learning for all children and young people in Scotland. As I said, great things are happening but there are inconsistencies. I am very aware of that and am continuing work to drive that outdoor learning agenda as much as possible for all children and young people and, of course, for those with additional support needs.

I go back to some of the visits I have been on and especially to a visit to an outdoor nursery. I could not believe how enthusiastically and positively staff spoke about the impact that the outdoor setting had had on some children with additional support needs and about the difference made by getting out of the classroom and into the woods. That really was marvellous and I very much support trying to increase that as far as possible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

It was set up to drive, as much as is possible, my agenda for outdoor learning that I have already spoken about.