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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

There will be a division.

For

Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Choudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Lab)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)

Against

Gray, Neil (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Tweed, Evelyn (Stirling) (SNP)

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

I will suspend briefly.

09:52 Meeting suspended.  

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

Are members content for amendment 3 to be withdrawn?

Members: No.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 6, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 3 disagreed to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the draft Social Security (Advocacy Service Standards) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2021. As this is the committee’s first consideration of affirmative regulations, I will quickly summarise the process.

We will start with an evidence session with the minister, which will be followed by a formal debate on the motion. The minister will be given the opportunity to move the motion and to respond at the end of the debate. The committee will be asked to make a recommendation to Parliament on whether we consider that the regulations should be approved. That recommendation will be made via a report.

Before we begin, I thank the minister for sharing the draft amended advocacy service standards with the committee to allow us to make a more informed decision on the regulations that we are considering. I remind colleagues that the draft standards were shared in confidence. Therefore, I encourage members with any questions on the regulations to refer to the draft standards in general terms.

I again welcome to the meeting—his appearing before us is becoming a bit of a habit—Ben Macpherson, Minister for Social Security and Local Government, and Dr Ruari Sutherland, supporting access to social security team leader in the Government’s social security policy division. We are also joined, online, by Colin Armstrong, sponsorship and delivery manager in the social security policy division, and James Clelland, a solicitor in the Scottish Government legal directorate.

I invite the minister to make an opening statement on the regulations.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

As there are no more questions, we will move to agenda item 3, which is consideration of motion S6M-00996. I remind the committee that only members and the minister may take part in the formal debate.

I invite the minister to formally move the motion.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

Amendment 3, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is in a group on its own.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

I apologise to Evelyn Tweed and Miles Briggs. I said at the outset that I would call other members after the amendment had been moved and the minister had spoken to it, and then call the proposer of the lead amendment to wind up. I note that Ms Chapman said that she wished to withdraw the amendment; however, the debate had started. I now invite her to press or withdraw amendment 3.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

Through the chair, please.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Neil Gray

Just to be absolutely clear, are you saying that you expect that citizens advice bureaux or, for instance, CABIA in my constituency, will still be able to represent constituents at Social Security Scotland tribunals, but it is just that they would not be funded by the Scottish Government?