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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you very much, Lawrie. Eilidh Dickson, I think that you want to come back in briefly.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you very much indeed to all our witnesses for taking the time to answer our questions in such an informed and helpful manner. We are grateful for your time and for your written submissions, which will form a large part of our consideration over the coming weeks.

I now suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:11 Meeting suspended.  

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

I welcome to the meeting our next panel. Claire Murdoch is head of social security and public funding at the Scottish Fiscal Commission, and Professor Alasdair Smith is a commissioner at the Scottish Fiscal Commission. Professor David Ulph, who is joining us remotely, is also a commissioner at the Scottish Fiscal Commission.

I invite Professor Smith to make a brief opening statement, after which members will ask questions.

10:15  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

I appreciate that, Professor Smith. That will help our timely progress through this session. Our first set of questions are from Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

The video feed is struggling a little bit, but we can hear you.

09:15  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

I am conscious of time, but I have a brief question for Satwat Rehman and Eilidh Dickson, sticking to the theme of employability and child poverty targets. Starting with Satwat Rehman, how much of an impact will extending universal free childcare to most one-year-olds and two-year-olds have on employability and on the child poverty targets?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

I see Eilidh looking to come in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

That is very helpful.

I have a brief follow-up to Mr Balfour鈥檚 questions before I bring in Marie McNair. From your perspective, the large additional spend is associated with the smoother, better supported application process鈥攖hat is before we look at policy change. Given that, and given that the additional amount for the 鈥渟afe and secure鈥 transfer that Mr Balfour talked about has to come from elsewhere in the Scottish budget, how important was it, from a fiscal perspective, that the Scottish Government took the approach of transferring cases first, rather than changing eligibility for ADP?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you. Of course, that debt spiral is exacerbated when you consider that sheriff officer costs are added to the arrears of the tenant rather than being absorbed by the local authority or whoever it may be.

Mr Briggs has a supplementary question, and then I will bring in Mr Sparkes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Neil Gray

I am conscious of the fact that Professor Ulph was looking to come in at an earlier stage, so perhaps you could address both those aspects, Professor Ulph.

10:45