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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

The next item is on the adult disability payment, which is due to start replacing personal independence payment in Scotland next year. Changes will be made through regulations that the committee expects to be laid soon. This morning, we will consider the differences between ADP and PIP and any potential policy issues in advance of formal consideration of the regulations next year.

I am pleased that we will hear from two panels today. I welcome to the first panel Ed Pybus, policy and parliamentary officer, Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland; Richard Gass, welfare rights and money advice manager, Rights Advice Scotland; and Judith Paterson, who is a member of the Scottish Commission on Social Security. A very warm welcome to you all.

I ask committee members and panellists to type R in the chat box if they would like to come in. Some members have already indicated to me that they would like to do so. I would also appreciate it, given that we are meeting virtually today, if colleagues who are asking questions could direct their questions to witnesses directly and allow a wee bit of time to ensure that their microphones are turned on before speaking.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

While you are on that point and before I bring in Jeremy Balfour, I note that the SCOSS report said:

“We are persuaded that changing eligibility criteria at this time would risk undermining the delivery of ADP, with extremely detrimental consequences for people who depend on it.â€

What detrimental consequences did you envisage? What made you reach that conclusion?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Keith, are you looking to come back in briefly?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Richard, I presume that that applies to people being transferred to universal credit, as well as to PIP?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Would you like to direct that question to any particular members of the panel, Marie?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Lovely. Ed Pybus, Richard Gass and Judith Paterson, I appreciate your time. Your input has been invaluable as we go through the process of scrutinising the implementation of ADP. It is greatly appreciated. No doubt we will be back in touch again but, in the meantime, I wish you all a merry Christmas.

I suspend briefly to change over the panel of witnesses.

10:10 Meeting suspended.  

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Welcome to the 14th meeting in 2021 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Apologies have been received from Natalie Don, and I am pleased to say that Evelyn Tweed is attending as her substitute.

Our first item of business today is a decision on whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I can see that Bill Scott concurs with that.

Craig Smith, Frank McKillop, Keith Park, Trisha Hatt and Bill Scott, I thank you all for your time. Yours was insightful evidence that is helpful to our work on ADP. I wish you all a very merry Christmas.

That concludes the public part of this morning’s meeting. Next week, the committee will take evidence on the budget. I invite members to join the private session via the link provided.

11:18 Meeting continued in private until 11:41.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

Is that addressed to any panel member in particular?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

Neil Gray

I will bring in Bill Scott followed by Craig Smith. I am conscious that we have not heard from Trisha Hatt yet. If Trisha has anything to add, I will be happy to bring her in after that.