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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

I read the submission from Solar Energy UK and I am sympathetic to that鈥攚e are actively considering the matter. I do not want to pre-empt the on-going process and say whether a target would be appropriate, but suffice to say that we have heard the submission from the industry and we will certainly consider that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

Absolutely, I think that they will have a central role. To go back to Nova Innovation, it is looking at the potential for innovation in the technology of floating solar, which it sees as potentially providing a landmark breakthrough moment for Scotland鈥檚 generation capacity. Ms Regan rightly speaks of the potential complementarity, but there are also other markets where the technology can be exported鈥攖he company is looking particularly at the Middle East. There are huge opportunities. Those technologies absolutely will be part of our energy mix. As somebody who hails from Orkney, where some of the technologies are being tested, it is exciting to see them coming through so strongly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

Thank you very much, convener. I appreciate the opportunity to come before the committee so early in my new role, and I also appreciate the work that the committee is doing to investigate what is a really important area of policy.

The Scottish Government鈥檚 draft energy strategy and just transition plan sets out the actions needed to transform our energy system in order to reach net zero while delivering maximum benefit for Scotland. We must take the right decisions now to capitalise on the enormous opportunities that the transition offers our economy, our citizens and our climate.

We are fortunate to benefit from vast renewable energy resources, including significant offshore wind potential, substantial tidal energy resources and a well-developed onshore wind sector. Increasing levels of home-grown renewable supply will make energy more affordable and, in combination with technologies such as hydrogen, batteries and pumped storage hydro, we can ensure that power is available when we need it.

Scotland has the potential to be a powerhouse of renewable energy electricity and green hydrogen to meet both our domestic needs and those of Europe, with clean electricity being exported as part of an integrated system with the rest of Europe and support for the decarbonisation of industry across the continent. The significant increase in installed capacity of renewable generation over the coming decade could mean Scotland鈥檚 annual electricity generation being more than double its electricity demand by 2030 and more than treble by 2045. That will enable Scotland to meet a large proportion of our demand through renewables alone while still creating an export opportunity for our surplus.

As the energy transition progresses, we will all see changes in the way in which we use our energy resources. For example, we will reduce heat demand by improving the energy efficiency of our homes and non-domestic buildings as well as decarbonise transport. That will come with significant co-benefits for people and society, including improvements in health and wellbeing, and it will contribute positively to a just transition.

Realising that positive vision for our future, however, rests on the delivery of more energy infrastructure. Significant investment in Scotland鈥檚 and, indeed, the wider Great Britain electricity grid is needed to ensure clean and cheap renewable electricity can flow to where it is needed. Electricity transmission infrastructure in particular requires huge levels of investment to ensure that the grid does not become a barrier to net zero.

In that context, it is important to acknowledge that we are part of the GB electricity system and the powers in respect of that system are reserved to the United Kingdom Government. As a result, we must work together to enable these critical investments, and we must use all regulatory and policy levers, both reserved and devolved, to ensure full grid decarbonisation, to drive down costs and to increase benefits for customers and communities.

The Scottish Government has been calling for a more agile approach to network regulation for many years now, and the energy regulator鈥檚 recent approval of local network business plans for the next five years and the decision to accelerate the delivery of strategic transmission investment are positive steps in that direction. The ambitious programme of infrastructure investment required to meet our net zero and interim targets relies on a high degree of market confidence, so we are clear that the UK Government鈥檚 plans to redesign our electricity market through its review of electricity market arrangements鈥攐r REMA鈥攎ust be conducted with sufficient lead time to protect investor confidence and ensure that the critical infrastructure and investment needed today to protect consumers and keep us on the pathway to net zero are not delayed. That is why we are continuing to call for urgent reform to the grid connection, queue management and transmission charging regimes, all of which could lead to transformational change in much quicker time.

We agree that the time taken to consent grid infrastructure projects needs to be accelerated, while still ensuring robust and balanced decision making. However, while the national energy infrastructure planning system has been reformed in England and Wales, which set out a modern consenting regime, the equivalent has not taken place in Scotland, as legislative competence for the energy consenting regime remains reserved to the UK Government, with the Scottish Parliament unable to legislate for the required reform, like elsewhere in the UK. The Scottish Government has proposed solutions to the UK Government that would enable the changes required, and we continue to call on the UK Government to urgently find a legislative solution.

Finally, convener, I thank the committee for its work on this important issue. I look forward to your report, which will provide crucial advice as we prepare our final energy strategy and just transition plan.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

Hydro power has huge potential to ensure a consistent supply of renewable energy into the system. There is more work to be done to ensure that the grid capacity can cope with that and that the consenting regime is appropriate to ensure that projects get off the ground quickly enough. We have a large potential, particularly for pumped hydro storage, and we hope that the UK Government will listen to the requests that have been made around ensuring that the process is as smooth as possible.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

I will need to come back to the committee with more detail on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

There absolutely need to be speedier decisions. That is the point that I was making about having a smoother process to give better certainty to those who are looking to come forward with the applications that we are talking about.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

It is important that we have a resilient network that reflects the demand that is placed on it from generation capacity that is often at the extremities and not as close to consumers, and that it does not discourage generation that happens away from consumers. It is important that any model for redesigning the grid network acknowledges that to ensure that we do not disadvantage or discourage generation here in Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Neil Gray

The deputy convener is right. The planning legislation is ours, and NPF4 is an important part of that. However, the Electricity Act 1989 also comes into play here and we do not have full control over all elements of the consenting regime for infrastructure. The interaction with the 1989 act means that there can be much slower decision-making processes. For instance, if a local planning authority refuses or objects to a consent, it has to go to a public inquiry.

NPF4 ensures that we have a very clear pathway, and we are continuing to discuss with Mr Bowie and other UK Government colleagues how transfer of powers around the 1989 act would allow us to have a much fuller package to ensure a smoother but balanced consenting regime.