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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you very much indeed, cabinet secretary. You have been very generous with your time this morning, and I am very grateful for that, as we have been able to cover a lot of ground. Mr Balfour highlighted your wide remit, which the committee shares, so the fact that we have been able to cover a lot of it today is very much appreciated. We look forward to your follow-up correspondence on some of the questions that we asked and to working with you on shared priorities to deliver the programme for government.

We now move into private session.

11:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

That is helpful, cabinet secretary. We have further questions from Emma Roddick first, to be followed by Jeremy Balfour. I hope to come in on that part, too, at some stage.

10:00  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

That would be very helpful. We have received some useful and interesting evidence on benefit take-up, such as the work that was done on deep-end practices in Glasgow. It would be really helpful for the committee to get a handle on exactly how the fiscal framework works in that scenario, as it is an area that we are very interested in.

My first question is in two parts. Cabinet secretary, will you explain how challenging it has been for you and Social Security Scotland to develop new social security benefits under the hybrid, or part-devolved, system that we are currently operating under? You have alluded to some of those challenges already.

The next part is for Ms Byrne or Mr Tyrer. I note that seven of the 11 benefits that are currently being delivered are new. Will you outline the differences in relation to infrastructure, logistics and manpower between developing a completely new benefit and maintaining a replacement benefit?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

Our main item of business is item 2, which is an evidence-taking session with the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government on the Scottish Government鈥檚 priorities for government. As this is the first time that Shona Robison has appeared before the committee, I congratulate her on her new role and welcome her to the committee. We were colleagues on the Social Justice and Fairness Commission, so it is a pleasure to see you in your current position, cabinet secretary, and the committee is looking forward to working with you over the coming session.

I also welcome the Scottish Government officials who are supporting the cabinet secretary: Alison Byrne, deputy director, social security management and delivery division; and Paul Tyrer, interim deputy director, social justice and regeneration.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

I was just going to suggest that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2021 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Apologies have been received from Natalie Don, and I am pleased to say that Evelyn Tweed is attending as Natalie鈥檚 substitute.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

That would be most helpful, cabinet secretary. Thank you.

We will stick with the theme of poverty and child poverty targets, and I will bring in Emma Roddick and then Marie McNair.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. Before I move on to the next set of questions, which will be led by Evelyn Tweed, I want to bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

That is lovely. Thank you, cabinet secretary.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Neil Gray

Thank you.

Recently, attention has rightly been given to the treatment of refugees and asylum seekers. Will you expand on the work that the Scottish Government can do to provide access to support for those with no recourse to public funds? What work is going on in the Scottish Government? How is it working with the UK Government to address the situation, which is very challenging for those involved?