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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Does anybody else have anything to add? If not, that is me.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

A few of my questions have already been asked, but I will focus on a couple of things. Once we get into the co-design part of the process, how do we measure the effectiveness of that? If we go through the process and we think that we need to change things, how do we measure that and what is the process for that? The second and the most important question is, how are people fully involved? Your organisation is involved. How are the people that you represent also involved in that discussion? How do we measure how effective co-design has been when we get further down the process? I will come to Paul Traynor first and then open the question to others.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Thank you. I will come to Adam Stachura for the Age Scotland point of view. One of the key points is the view from the organisation itself, and obviously the people you represent, in trying to add in the checks and balances going through the co-design process. Do you want to comment on how you would do that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Does Suzanne Munday have anything to add on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Alison White, can I bring you in from the social work point of view?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Is there another stage before you move on to the co-design? I am trying to dig deeper on that, because you are saying that there is an interdependency between a lot of issues. Do you want a pause before you get into that, or do you want the consultation process to be a little bit longer?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

On that point, I know that you are here representing the organisation, but do you have any thoughts on speaking to the people you represent and getting their points of view as we start to co-design the bill?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

Yes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

You mentioned that it was difficult to get involvement. What would be your ideal solution when it becomes more prescriptive? Have you thought about what that would look like from your point of view or how you would like the union to be represented?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Paul McLennan

You would like more engagement in the process but also more details on it.