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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

I do not know whether you heard our earlier discussion about age and maturity. As we all know, kids can mature at different ages. You hinted at it when you talked about secondary school. Will you expand on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Good morning. You probably heard the questions that I put to the previous panel. I would like to hear your views on the process that the bill proposes for withdrawal from RO and RME. There are three aspects of that process, the first of which is the requirement for schools to inform a child if their parent asks for them to be withdrawn from RO or RME. Secondly, when a request has been made, the child will be given an opportunity to express their views, and the school must seek to have a discussion with the child and the parent if the child objects to being withdrawn. Thirdly, the school must respect the child鈥檚 wishes if their view differs from that of their parent. Previous witnesses raised the issue of the age and maturity of the pupil, which they thought was important, although their views differed.

I am particularly interested in hearing a legal perspective. Who would like to go first?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you for that. Angela O鈥橦agan was nodding away there. Angela, do you want to add anything else on the UNCRC point and the general question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Rachel Fox, do you have anything to add on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

That really strengthens the point that was made earlier on; you put across a very good point. I do not know whether anybody wants to add to that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Let us move on to part 2 of the bill, which introduces an exemption for a situation in which a public authority is compelled to act incompatibly with the UNCRC鈥檚 requirements. What is your view of the Scottish Government鈥檚 reasoning for including the further exemption to the compatibility duty? The witnesses have partly answered that question. I do not know whether anyone wants to add anything specifically about the compatibility duty and part 2 of the bill.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Fraser, I will come to you first. We have talked about rights under the UNCRC, the compatibility duty in the bill, and the Scottish Government鈥檚 reasoning for the further exemption from that duty in part 2 of the bill. You have touched on that already. Do you have anything to add on that point?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Alejandro, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

You have all touched on the UNCRC. I know that the UNCRC provisions are in part 2, but it is relevant to the other question that I asked, too. Does anyone else want to come in and pick up the UNCRC point specifically? We heard about that from witnesses on the previous two panels.

I ask Caitlin Fitzgerald to respond specifically on the UNCRC point and on the general question as well. Angela O鈥橦agan can come in, too. It seems to be a rolling theme in all our evidence sessions so far.