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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Thanks, minister. For the sake of brevity, that is fine.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Paul McLennan

I have looked at my areas and I know that there will be an impact. The fact that the payment is automatic and goes to more people is important. Just a few weeks ago, we were talking about a fixed budget. We would, of course, like to pay out more, but we operate within a fixed budget. Only a few weeks ago, in budget scrutiny, the committee voted against additional borrowing powers that would have given us the opportunity to have demand-led services and put our money towards such payments. We need to look at it in that regard.

The key thing for me, as I have said, is that it will benefit 400,000 people compared with 185,000 people. Previously, Β£8.3 million was spent; now, Β£20 million will be spent. It is not a perfect scheme. It is part of an overall package. We must look at the overall causes of why energy costs in Scotland are so high. We need powers to deal with that in Scotland. I will support the legislation.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Sometimes, we have to take a wee step back from our discussions and look at the context. As opposed to 185,000 people, 400,000 people will get the benefit automatically. The estimated spend was Β£8.3 million and it is now Β£20 million. That is the first part of the context. We also have to look at the wider benefit context that has been mentioned. The payment that we are talking about today is part of it, and we mentioned the Scottish Government looking at the Scottish child payment and other benefits that are being brought forward. We also heard the DWP talking about pension tax credits, and I understand that between a quarter and a third of people who are entitled to pension tax credits do not claim them. Emma Roddick touched on energy costs. In energy-rich Scotland, we face some of the highest energy costs in the UK, if not in Europe. So, first and foremost, we need the powers to tackle that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

For brevity, I will ask both of my questions at the same time.

Last year’s programme for government announced the introduction of a local democracy bill within this parliamentary session, and I was just wondering what your views were on that. I also note that in the Bute house agreement with the Scottish Greens, the Scottish Government also committed to establishing a working group to oversee engagement on local government funding, including council tax. Again, I just wanted to see whether you have been involved in that process and whether you have any initial thoughts on it.

I will come to you first, David, then open it up to others, if that is okay.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Is more flexibility required so that councils can raise their own funds? We have talked about the workplace parking levy and the tourism levy, but would you like your council to be more able to look at other things that it would like to pick and propose, if required? I should probably give Euan Jardine a heads-up that I will be asking him the same question, but would you like more freedom to look at local taxes?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

I mentioned the council tax. Again, do you have any other thoughts on that or on the local democracy bill in that respect? Is there anything that you have not mentioned or anything else that you would want to add with regard to our discussions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Shona, we lost the sound at the start. Can you start again, if that is okay?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Good morning. I want to touch a bit more on the new deal, particularly in relation to whether that will be impacted by the national care service. What are your thoughts on that? Shona Morrison, I will come to you first, then Cleland Sneddon.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

I will stay with Shona on that point and then come to Cleland Sneddon.

One of the key things mentioned by council leaders was the very start of the process. Rather than councils being told at the end of the process, β€œHere is the budget. Here is where we are going with it”, does more work need to be done at the start of the Scottish Government budget process, including more formal COSLA involvement? That was commented on by council leaders. What are your thoughts on that? Is that a takeaway for us?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Paul McLennan

Thank you. Does Cleland Sneddon have anything to add?