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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Some of the feedback concerned the importance of achieving a balance between flexibility and clarity. That might touch on Jim Savege鈥檚 point about each area being different鈥攈e mentioned Banchory and Peterhead, in Aberdeenshire. Is it better to have flexibility at the cost of clarity? Is it bad to have more flexibility in the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you have anything to add, Jim?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to touch on advocacy services. When we met care-experienced children last night, which was an enlightening experience, a key issue that came up was advocacy services. We have received feedback that the bill relies too much on secondary legislation, but there has also been recognition that that allows flexibility for future policy development. Does the bill strike the right balance between flexibility and clarity?

What would be required in terms of mapping? That is incredibly important. The point has been made that aftercare is not just about advocacy until someone is 16 or 26; it is needed right through people鈥檚 lives. In your experience of mapping, how do you commission and integrate services? You probably heard members of the previous panel say that that is a real challenge and that the approach is different in different parts of the country.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

You have 15 years of experience in local government and as a council leader. What does the situation look like on the ground? Each local authority is slightly different. Aberdeenshire is different from Ayrshire and Glasgow, for example.

The kids we were talking to yesterday were from different parts of Scotland and shared different experiences, but they all mentioned how important advocacy is. In fact, what came across as the most important aspect, not just for aftercare but for housing, was advocacy. I know that you are trying to find the right balance, which is easier said than done, but how do we make that happen on the ground?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Does anyone else want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you want to add anything, Professor Sengupta?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That is an interesting point. At last night鈥檚 meeting, there were kids who had been through a couple of local authorities, and there were kids who were quieter than others. It is a very relevant point.

I want to go on to the guidance on care experience. I will come to Maree Allison, because you touched on that in a previous answer. The committee鈥檚 call for views asked about clarity in relation to guidance on care experience, and your response touched on a definition of care experience. Will you say a little bit more about that or about what you think needs to be done in that particular area?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

John Trainer, does the lack of a definition create problems for you, on the ground?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Last week, we talked about when a child is capable of forming a view. There were mixed views. Some witnesses said that it should be when they reach secondary school age, but you have answered that question. When we talked last week, there was a view about when a child is capable of making decisions. You could have a mature eight-year-old as against a mature 12-year-old.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

We have kind of touched on this, but the Scottish Government鈥檚 assertion is that the new process will support articles 12 and 14 of the UNCRC. You have all mentioned those articles. I am pretty clear about the views that are coming through on that, but does anybody want to add anything, particularly about the Government鈥檚 assertion about articles 12 and 14?