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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

On that point, Mr Briggs, discussions on the scheme have been on-going for a number of months. I pulled together discussions on the feedback that we were getting. We had a meeting with the festival organisers and the Edinburgh Festival Fringe and local authorities, and everybody was quite happy with the outcome of that particular meeting. The City of Edinburgh Council required some clarity and we gave them that clarity. It comes back to what we all know, which is that, every year, prices rocket in Edinburgh because of the festival.

There has been on-going dialogue and debate in Edinburgh about whether the festival is too big for Edinburgh and what the scale of the festival should be. You and I have had that discussion. Should more be done to try to work with other local authorities to take some of the demand that is there? There is a much broader piece of work that Edinburgh needs to do with the festival, the fringe and the Scottish Government to look at how big the festival should be, how far we can spread it and what impact it has.

I understand the point that you are trying to make, but we need a much broader analysis of issues with regard to the festival. Every year, prices go up and there are shortages, but a much broader piece of work needs to be done. Again, I am happy to speak to colleagues in the Government and in local authorities and, indeed, to yourself about that, but as I have said, we need a much broader analysis to give us a much broader perspective on what we need to do. After all, this has been an on-going debate in Edinburgh as well as in other parts of Scotland for a long time now.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

On that point, Mr Briggs, I am not saying that this is about health and safety. How people interpret these things and how the matter is assessed as part of the broader debate are separate issues. Health and safety considerations are incredibly important, given the thousands of people who come to Edinburgh, but there is no doubt that we need a broader鈥攁nd separate鈥攄iscussion about the amount of provision that exists.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

I do not think that the order will do that. One of the key things that I talked about with the expert group was on-going dialogue. We speak to SOLAR on a regular basis, as do officials鈥攁lmost weekly. I will continue to meet ASSC. I have mentioned reviewing the situation in Edinburgh once the festival is over. You and I have discussed in other forums what that will look like, and I will be happy to involve you in discussions at that stage. The other issue is meeting providers, such as Airbnb and other groups, so that there is on-going dialogue.

I suppose that it comes back to the original decision on whether it would be a national or a local scheme. I think that it was decided that it would be best if it was a local scheme for a number of reasons, one being that that would take in local circumstances. There will always be variances within the scheme, as there are variances within planning. Outwith short-term lets, there will always be variances in terms of planning and other licensing schemes鈥攖here will always be that element.

The whole purpose of coming here today was to try to simplify and feed back on some of the points that have been raised. Obviously, the scheme is still in the transitional stage, as has been mentioned, so we will continue to monitor it. The expert group has been brought together to look at that. I also speak in the advice group, which includes VisitScotland and other stakeholders.

A wide range of discussions have gone on in the past and a wide range of discussions will continue. I am pretty confident that, despite the variances that you will see among local authorities鈥攚hich are similar for any other licensing or planning scheme鈥攖hat clarity will be given. Of course, we will continue to monitor that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

We have been made aware of the point about alcohol licences and I will bring in Craig McGuffie. Craig, do you want to comment on what we are doing in that respect?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

There are a number of points. One is about trying to strike a balance. For example, we talked about the temporary exemptions and other issues that were raised. That has been the most pertinent issue, in terms of bringing things forward. Obviously, there were discussions about how far to go at this stage鈥攚e are still in a transitional stage, which is important. We agreed that we would discuss that particular point with the expert group.

Exemptions and provisional licences were the things that were raised as priorities in the feedback, not just from the ASSC but from other groups. At the moment, those are the most important things that we need to pick up on. Going forward, through the expert group that I talked about and the on-going engagement with stakeholders, we will continue to look at the issues. If we need to bring something back, we will certainly do so. We will also be cognisant of what the committee says. It was felt that those were the most important points that had to be raised.

There is a broader discussion, and it is not just with the stakeholders鈥攊t is also with the likes of SOLAR and so on. It was always going to be a balancing act to consider the key things that we need to take forward. We will continue to discuss the issue. There has been on-going dialogue all the way through, and there will continue to be on-going dialogue. As I referenced, the expert group will continue to consider the issues once the scheme is fully operational and in place.

We have included the most important things that we need now, but we are not knocking back the issues that stakeholders have raised. We will continue to discuss the issues with the stakeholders and with SOLAR and others.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

Craig, do you want to come in, and then I will come back on that point?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

Of course.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

I am getting there.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

I would like to pick up on the points that were raised, I said that we acted on the most important points from stakeholders. For example, I mentioned the Short Term Accommodation Association鈥檚 view.

I will continue to engage with the committee and with stakeholders. I will also reflect on what the committee has said today. Convener, if the committee wishes to have additional information, it can certainly invite me back at some other stage. In the meantime, I will continue with the discussions and reflect on what has been said today. I will also be happy to meet the committee or individual members at a further stage if that is thought to be appropriate.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Paul McLennan

Yes鈥擨 will bring in Jessica Niven on that particular point. As you are aware, we had hoped to have those figures available for the committee. Perhaps Jess can advise on when it looks likely that that report will be published.