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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People鈥檚 Commissioner Scotland (Strategic Plan 2024-28)

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning and thank you for attending. I put on the record that I also enjoyed your wee video, especially the use of the pentatonic scale for the young children.

Before I go on to my main question, I want to pick up on what my colleague, Stephanie Callaghan, asked about the potential for another commissioner for learning, disability and neurodiversity. I assume that you are aware that the funding for all the commissioners is top-sliced off the SPCB budget. There is the law of diminishing returns, so the more commissioners there are, the less there will be to go around, given the budget constraints. Are you aware of that and did you reflect that in your submission to the recent research into the potential for a new commissioner?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People鈥檚 Commissioner Scotland (Strategic Plan 2024-28)

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

I have read your strategic document, which talks a lot about children鈥檚 rights, and rightly so. The flipside is your organisation鈥檚 responsibilities. I appreciate that it is early days but what assessment have you made thus far of the implications of the Cass review on children鈥檚 rights and your responsibilities therein?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Is there a possibility that the report was commissioned to neutralise objections, given that the committee was going to be looking at the landscape?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning and thank you for joining us. I have a couple of quick questions. Your report states that the Scottish Government commissioned you. Can I check whether the directorate that commissioned you is the same one that is now looking at introducing a new commissioner for learning disability, autism and neurodiversity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

In other words, it is potentially in the team鈥檚 interests to limit the scope of what your research would evaluate. Let us imagine for a minute that the team is keen on introducing a new commissioner for its area of interest. It would make sense to limit the scope of what you were asked to evaluate in terms of the wider landscape, as you set out today in your evidence. Is that a fair assessment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

What reception did you get for your research? Have you met the team subsequently and have you taken any feedback from it? If so, what was that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much. That is all, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

However, as you set out in your statement, the team wants there to be a new commissioner鈥攖hat is a statement of fact. You have found out some other incidental stuff but, as Ms Smith pointed out at the start of our session, we are looking at the wider landscape including independence, governance, accountability, costs, budget lines and overlap, which are underpinned by strategic positioning and鈥攃ritically鈥攐utcomes. It sounds very much as though you were given a different brief, to look more gently at the concept of introducing a further commissioner, by the directorate that wants to do so.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. You mentioned human rights earlier. In any discussions about the concept of a number of commissions or commissioners looking at human rights and the complexity around that, was there any recognition that creating a hierarchy of rights could be problematic, or did the discussion not go to that depth? In the Parliament, we have seen challenges with recognising different sets of rights, and we see that in the wider environment, too.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michelle Thomson

You kind of make my point for me, when we look at the lack of longer-range thinking. The Scottish Government set up the Scottish National Investment Bank, for example, using financial transactions. This year, we have seen a change to financial transactions and their ultimate withdrawal. The Scottish Government鈥檚 ability to have a sufficiently long range to be able to match or attract and use leverage for public sector funding is quite diminished without that longer-term aspect. Your report makes that starkly clear, not least with the reminder that you cannot carry forward across years.