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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

In some respects, you have answered my question because you did not say, “We have no idea how we could improve things without the installation of a commissioner.” Arguably, that would be an answer. However, you already have quite a lot of ideas. The original example that you gave about Ellie Wilson promoting the transcripts of rape victims was another earlier version.

Clare Haughey, I have my cutting knife in the name of Ivan McKee. Realistically, what are the remedies and how readily to they come to mind with regard to a situation in which the patient safety commissioner was to be no more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

My last wee question is for you both. We have conducted a thorough investigation so far, and everybody who has appeared before us has had a good grasp of their particular area and has convincingly articulated why a commissioner is necessary and, indeed, effective. However, from our point of view, we look at the entire landscape rather than one individual silo, which is perhaps where the mismatch comes in.

Again, this is a slightly hypothetical question for you both, to finish off. If you were us and you were required to look at the entire landscape, bearing in mind the need for efficiency and effective government and the critical financial constraints, what would your reflections be? Audrey, you smiled, so you can go first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Does that not play to Liz Smith’s earlier comment about systemic issues and organisational and cultural issues resulting in people’s voices not being heard? Is working on those issues another remedy? It is difficult, as I know from previous experience, to change the culture of an organisation, but is that a potential remedy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

I have a wee follow-on question for you, Ms Nicoll, about your committee’s recommendation to consider a time-limited period should a victims and witnesses commissioner be established. Did you consider what that time period might be, given the considerable organisational establishment and set-up costs?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. The example of the third sector body that Audrey Nicoll mentioned illustrates my question. I was looking at the new responsibilities of the ministers and cabinet secretaries and noticed that Ivan McKee’s responsibilities include public service reform, efficient government and so on.

I have almost hypothetical questions for you both. Audrey, if a stringent new cap on public sector expenditure was brought into force that meant that the commissioner, whom you were required to consider as part of your recent scrutiny, were removed, what specifically would you do to address some of the issues around the treatment of victims and witnesses? Secondly, Clare, I am not saying that the patient safety commissioner will be removed—I do not want to set any hares running—but, given that it is a slightly different situation, if that commissioner were removed, hypothetically, what could you do to address the perceived gap?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Were you simply being kind to the Government? Rather than saying, “No, we should not have one”, were you being nice and suggesting an interim measure? I know I am being slightly controversial, but were you being kind by coming up with another option or was it a sensible suggestion?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

I know that Lydia Rohmer will want to come in here. Could I have your reflections, please?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I will touch on an area that we have not really considered thus far, which is what the bill might enable in improving access to adult education—types of further education—in either Gaelic or Scots. I suspect that Donald Macleod and Joan Esson will have a view, as will Bruce Eunson, from a Scots perspective. Will the bill enable anything more when it comes to further adult education or other sorts of education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will bring in Bruce Eunson. To overlay your earlier comment about changing culture through creating an environment in which people have permission to speak in what is, in effect, their own language, do you agree that the bill will enable further adult education participation from local authorities? From your perspective, will it also enhance legitimisation of Scots?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Okay. Would Inge Birnie like to comment?