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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that.

I move on to a comment that the former Deputy First Minister made on this area some time back. When she was asked about the role of the SPCB, she noted that there was a ministerial control framework for appointing commissioners and said that

“Introducing a best value assurance process ... could be a viable option for the SPCB”.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

I come to my last wee question. I have asked something similar previously, going back to the issues over the top-slice on funding and the figures that have been quoted. Is it possible to make the budget for commissioners fixed in the way that the Scottish Parliament’s budget is fixed, as a potential mechanism for controlling costs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that clarification. That is very helpful, Claire.

Unsurprisingly, I will ask a couple of questions about the financial memorandum—I have snuck in in disguise from the Finance and Public Administration Committee. A number of witnesses have expressed concerns about the financial memorandum and, specifically, the fact that there is limited extra resource for Gaelic and none for Scots. I fully accept the fiscal challenges that we have, but does that fact worry you at all, Deputy First Minister? I appreciate that you are relatively new in role, but will you want to have a further look at that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

If all public bodies need to “have regard to” Gaelic and Scots, to what extent is that reflected in the FM?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

I do not want to take over the role of the finance committee, which will examine the FM, but I have a follow-on question. Public bodies must have regard to Gaelic and Scots under the bill. Will that pull in other public bodies to expend some effort in some capacity? To what extent are you certain that all that potential, in terms of having regard to, is reflected thus far in the FM?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

In some respects, that brings out the counterpoint that, if public bodies are properly having regard to Gaelic, that should, if they are going through that process in good faith, determine where they do not have exactly that example. They would then need to make provision for that, which could mean incurring extra costs. That demonstrates the point of part of my question. You can give a brief answer just now, but that is the sort of thing that, in its scrutiny, as appropriate, the finance committee will want to tease out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

On a point of accuracy, you are right about what you said about Gaelic, but there is no funding provision at all for Scots, which is one of the concerns that was mentioned. I just wanted to put that on the record.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Deputy First Minister, thank you for doing your opening statement in Gaelic—I really appreciate that.

I will follow on from Ruth Maguire’s question before I move on to my substantive questions. In your opinion, to what extent is this a framing bill, rather than a framework bill, that enables advancement of culture, recognition and, arguably, reward, particularly when you look at the early-stage pulling together of all the different Scots that we have?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I will pick up on a couple of points that the convener has already asked about. I, too, seem to have a marginal sign of a misspent weekend in terms of going through the bill handbook and specifically looking at what is stated on financial memorandums. The point is about what, not how. To return to Jackie McAllister’s comment about training, I personally would be interested in hearing more detail about the new training that is planned and what gaps you are seeing being filled. It is a specialism, and the committee has twigged that people have not been across this in the way that they should have been.

Thinking about framework bills, which we have also touched on, the permanent secretary made a comment about the use of agile methodologies and how that can impact on the rigour of the numbers that are provided. I want to understand how you manage the risk. In using framework bills, there is a risk that any figures provided, even if we have much better quality of FMs, will be fundamentally out of sync. I would appreciate your comments on how you are addressing that in the light of significant public sector constraints.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I want to touch on where we are on the issue of whole-of-Government accounts. In “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, the Auditor General said:

“The continuing absence of a full public sector account reduces the transparency and accountability over public spending, assets and liabilities in Scotland.”

It is a fundamental issue. We had a statement of intent in 2016. Where are we now on whole-of-Government accounts?