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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of questions for all the witnesses, which I will run together. First, I will pick up on Colin Beattie’s question regarding international skills. Has the Fraser of Allander Institute or Skills Development Scotland undertaken specific recent analysis comparing Scotland’s skills system to those of our major trading nations, as set out in “A Trading Nation—a plan for growing Scotland’s exports”? In other words, how do we know that Nora Senior’s comment that our skills system is looked on as “best in class” is true?

Secondly, I hold a personal view that international benchmarking is necessary for Scotland’s skills system. Do you agree with that personal view and, if not, why not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I think that you must have guessed the second area that I want to explore, because it is modern apprenticeships, funnily enough. I am looking at SDS’s most recent quarterly report on modern apprenticeships. Since joining the Parliament, I have been looking at the theme of the different consideration that is given to the role of women, whether in business or skills. I worked out that, comparing the first quarters of 2019-20 and 2021-22, there has been a decline in female enrolments from 47 per cent to 45 per cent. I then looked at the figures for my area, which is Falkirk, where there has been a more dramatic fall from 45 per cent to 35 per cent. That led me to consider what the gaps might be in how we are going about getting women enrolled. Does Chris Brodie or Lisa Pattoni have any thoughts about the reasons for that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Does anyone else want to come in on those two questions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

We cannot see Chris on the screen. Perhaps his connection has dropped out again.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I have a last wee question for Nora Senior and a general question for everyone. I will run them together.

Nora Senior and I would agree that competitiveness in business is important. The recent Cumberford-Little report, which was commissioned by the Scottish Government, emphasised a shift towards excellence in skills rather than the focus on competence that we have at the moment. To what extent do you agree with those statements in the report?

What is SDS’s view on how to best keep the knowledge and skills of Government agencies current in the light of the huge global challenges and changes of Brexit and Covid and so on? Has SDS, for example, instigated its own programme of change for its skills base as we emerge from Brexit and Covid? Those are two separate areas, but I am aware of the time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Information on Climate Change (Working Group)

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

That seems fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I will move on to another area that we have not yet touched on. I am interested in your organisation’s reflections on the desire for home working, or at least a version of hybrid working, that has arisen—indeed, we can see it in our meeting today. How will that cause and necessitate change for the people who you represent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

I want to start by asking you a closed question, to which you can answer yes or no, before I go into the main thrust of my questions. Do you routinely disaggregate the data in your surveys, including those that you carry out and those that you have commissioned, by sex/gender?

I can see a yes from Laura Mahon and a nod from Polly Tolley.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Michelle Thomson

That just leaves Adam Stachura—he seems to be saying yes.

I have realised that it is not always best to ask closed questions, so I will move on to an open one. When I was preparing for this session and rereading the questions that you were asked to answer in making a written submission, the question that jumped out at me was:

“How should the Scottish Government’s Budget address the different impacts of the pandemic across age, income and education groups and across places?”

I was surprised that the question did not include sex or gender, although some of the submissions that we received, such as those from the Scottish Trades Union Congress, the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland and the Women’s Budget Group pointed that out and included evidence on the issue.

I thank you very much for all the data that you have supplied to us, but would you like to make any additional reflections on the particular impact of the pandemic on women and/or girls? I suspect that Polly Tolley will want to do that. Also, do you know of any costed policy initiatives that could have benefits for women or girls?

I can see some note taking happening. I think that John Dickie wants to go first.