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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

I get that. I have a last wee question, because I am aware that my colleague wants to come back in and explore this area.

With regard to the loans themselves, I note what you are saying about the historical situation in Scotland; that applies to Scottish loans simply because they run over 30 years, as I understand it. It does not have any relationship to Scottish students who, for example, studied in England and have now come back and become Scottish taxpayers. I am assuming that it is simply a picture of the loan book at a point in time when those loans were taken out.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for all that—it is helpful. I have a last wee quick question, which I hope that you can answer quite quickly. How confident are you in your ability to bring down the bill for contractors? I am thinking specifically about your budgeting for keeping the show on the road. From my experience in a previous life, I know that that is always extremely difficult, because IT bought-in costs are always going up and it is difficult to keep people.

A quick answer is fine.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

I hear what you are saying about the transition—it is very clear. It would be helpful for me to understand what applications and coding skills you are talking about. I guess that your ability to grow people, particularly when you get into complex bug fixing, is an essential part of keeping the show on the road, but is there a bespoke application? What sort of coding skills are required?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Yes—good morning and thanks for coming along, Jennifer. I want to explore a wee bit more about the IT contractors. Your annual accounts give the costs

“primarily to meet the digital requirements of updating legacy IT systems and evolving our IT estate onto a long-term sustainable basisâ€

as about £132,000 a year, which looks to me like folk working for 11 months a year on a day rate of £600, roughly.

How, specifically, do you plan to do what you have set out and get the crossover that you have alluded to—building the skills of the permanent staff while starting to move the fairly high numbers for contractors. Can you tell me a wee bit more about that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Yes. I do not know whether I am right on the day rate, because it was just a quick calculation. I am asking about types of skills, because people who have skills such as Java will be picked up. Although your plan to get your staff up to speed on those skills addresses one problem, it also introduces a new organisational risk, because those staff will have skills that are sellable at a daily rate of £600, which most people would consider useful. Can I assume that the risk side, from an IT perspective, is also in your personnel planning?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

I suppose that the framework is attempting to do that as we all move beyond a difficult financial time.

One of the committee’s other concerns is the general lack of understanding of how the budget process works for the Scottish Government and the impact that it has on everyone else’s budgets. You are clearly across that and you will understand that, for example, the final figures came in literally at the 11th hour—the night before stage 3. However, how clearly is that understood by your colleagues in CIPFA and the council? I think that it was the finance secretary who said that it is like trying to land a 747 on a postage stamp, which describes it well. What is your perception of how clearly the process is understood across the board among your colleagues in CIPFA and the council?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Yes, it does. Going to your accountancy background, I have asked on a number of different occasions whether data on how much time is spent on the process—you spoke earlier about opportunity cost—is collected when we go through that curmudgeonly process? Doing projections that are promptly zapped is often a waste of time. That is one area where I would be looking to note how many days are being used in order to illustrate inefficiencies, when it is all changed at the 11th hour. Does CIPFA or COSLA collect that data?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

Do you know what the aggregated percentage is for the rest of the UK? I am just interested.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Michelle Thomson

I knew that you would enjoy that opportunity. Thank you for that.

Would the other two witnesses like to add anything on that question with some thoughts that might have been triggered by today’s discussion?

I see that Paul Bradley is taking a deep breath.