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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

My question follows on quite nicely from that. Witnesses have already said that the increase in national insurance contributions will have a knock-on effect, due to not just the increase in contributions but the lowering of the threshold by nearly a half. What will the implications be for your budgets? Have you had an indication from the United Kingdom Government as to how much of the increase it is prepared to cover? Has it said that it will cover it all or just parts of it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

It is a bit concerning that there is no clarity, but I will hand back to you, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

Good morning, cabinet secretary, minister and officials, and thank you for coming.

I will give the cabinet secretary a wee bit of a break and go to the minister first. Colleges and universities have raised concerns regarding the financial impact on them of the increased employer national insurance contributions resulting from the UK Government鈥檚 budget. In England, university tuition fees have been raised to cover that increase, so the tax on jobs, so to speak, is being borne by students in order to secure their education. In Scotland, we do not charge tuition fees, so, thankfully, that will not happen here. However, universities and colleges in Scotland will still have to meet the costs unless the UK Government steps up to the plate and provides the means to fully mitigate them.

What are the latest indications regarding mitigation? If the UK Government does not provide the money that is required, is there any possibility of the Scottish Government being able to help our colleges and universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

I am pleased to hear that in Scotland we will not be charging our students for the cost of national insurance contributions.

In your opening statement, I think that you said that 拢130 million in the budget had been allocated for the Scottish attainment challenge.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

Okay. I am not going to give the cabinet secretary a break, then鈥攕orry.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

Okay. That is really concerning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

I am mindful of the time, convener, because I notice that my 10 minutes are nearly up. I will come in later, if that is okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jackie Dunbar

What work has taken place to replace elements of the attainment challenge, including the pupil equity fund? I presume that some of the budget will be used for that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

Have you spoken to the Government about what happens if the bill does not pass? Is there any non-legislative approach that you would like to see in those circumstances?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Jackie Dunbar

I agree that it would be good if what you said were to happen, but I have a concern that came out of the meeting that we held with teachers. We could be asking teachers to clock in at 9 o鈥檆lock on a Monday morning and not clock out until 5 o鈥檆lock on the Friday, and we would be asking them to volunteer that time. Not all teachers are able to do that. They want to be part of those experiences, but their family life or caring responsibilities might prevent them from doing that.

We heard from one teacher that there would be hidden costs. If a class was going to an outdoor centre, at least one additional teacher might be required to go with the class in case, for example, a child with additional support needs had to go home because they were not coping. There would be teachers who would be required to go, and there would be teachers who would be on call, so to speak. All those salaries would need to be paid for, but I do not see those costs in the financial memorandum.

How can we square that circle so that we can go forward with the concept that you are suggesting? I would love to go forward with it, but I am worried about how we will pay for it all.